The Melanie Avalon Biohacking Podcast Episode #172 - Wendy Myers

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Melanie Avalon: Hey friends, welcome back to the show. I am so incredibly excited about the conversation that I'm about to have. Backstory on today's conversation, I bring a lot of amazing guests onto the show. And a lot of guests that I've been following for a long time. Today's guest holds a special place in my heart because I've been following her work for years. I especially personally went through my own issues with heavy metal toxicity and detoxing from that and other issues. And when I was in my-- I call it the blackhole time of my life. When I was in that blackhole time, I would just religiously listen to the podcast of Wendy Myers. She has two podcasts, the Myers Detox Podcast and the SuperCharged Podcast, I live for that show. It was like my guiding light out of the darkness. I have been wanting to interview her for years. She is a wealth of knowledge on not just heavy metal toxicity, but all things health related like gut issues, mold, so many things, infrared saunas. And she has a book called Limitless Energy: How to Detox Toxic Metals to End Exhaustion and Chronic Fatigue. And she is a Functional Diagnostic Nutritionist and NES Bioenergetic Practitioner. This is a moment I've been waiting for for a long time. I have so many questions. Wendy, thank you much for being here.

Wendy Myers: Yeah, thanks for having me.

Melanie Avalon: To start things off, I do imagine that a lot of my audience is probably very familiar with your work. Could you tell the audience a little bit about your personal story, your own toxicity issues, and what you experienced and what led to what you're doing today?

Wendy Myers: Yeah. Well, [unintelligible [00:01:46] lot of people listening, my health was my full-time job and my hobby and my passion, health always has been since I was a teen and I had a baby at 37 and after that, I just wasn't bouncing back. I was having trouble losing weight. I was having trouble sleeping. I was just having a lot of health issues that I've never had before, even though I was taking perfect care of myself, and I went to the doctor and to figure out what's wrong with me, I knew something was wrong, even though I didn't have major symptoms, just some fatigue, and weight loss and brain fog and trouble sleeping. I'm like figure it out. They found out that I had the hormone levels of a menopausal woman, which I was thrilled to hear at 37. And then I had low thyroid function, I had low stress hormones from adrenal fatigue, and a lot of nutrient deficiencies. I just thought how is this happening? I take perfect care of myself, I eat organic food, cook it myself, shop at the farmer's markets, all fresh, I take this huge bag of expensive vitamins, the best of the best, I work out many hours a week. I do the stress relief blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I just didn't want to go on hormone replacement therapy because I was like, Isn't that for menopausal women?

I just thought there has to be some reason my body broke down. And I got to figure out what that is and then fix that. Not just do hormone replacement, though that's a perfectly acceptable solution that works really well for millions of women. But for me I was like, "How do I get my body working again naturally? I'm 37." I went on Dr. Google and I thought what causes adrenal fatigue, and a website came up that advertised hair mineral analysis, to do heavy metals testing and it just really made sense to me. I did a heavy metals test and I had all these heavy metals. I did so much reading on health and about mercury toxicity and sushi, which I ate twice a week, I was a fanatic for sushi. And I just read about arsenic and I had uranium. And I thought "What on earth is uranium? I haven't heard that one." And then I'd read about lead and I'd read about mercury, but I just didn't think that it applied to me because I was so healthy and because my lifestyle was so healthy. That got blown out of the water and then I had a light bulb-- something just came over me and I just started researching ferociously about and reading like this website on heavy metals where I got the heavy metals testing and it just made much so sense to me and I just couldn't turn away. I wanted to start working in the health industry and I founded myersdetox.com to write about all this stuff that I was learning about heavy metal toxicity and that's how my website was born and I turned my health around too

Melanie Avalon: That is an incredible story and I relate to so much of it as well because like you, when I first got the heavy metal toxicity, it was when I was already really health conscious and felt I was doing all the things and I'm just having flashbacks like you being on Google and trying to figure out what was going on? And did you have fillings or any other sources of heavy metals besides the sushi for the mercury?

Wendy Myers: Oh, yeah, I definitely had had a lot of mercury fillings from the age of five years old to 20 when I had them all removed by a regular dentist, a conventional dentist. And I just did it for cosmetic reasons. Because if I opened my mouth, I didn't want someone seeing this block filling. So, that was just the only reason I didn't know at the time. But in my 20s when I was depressed my whole 20s and just had mental health stuff, I believe from the mercury and fatigue. And I just never felt like I had much energy for my age. But I definitely had at least four or five mercury fillings taken out that I'd had for a long time.

Melanie Avalon: I'm so interested by that. Because for me, I didn't have fillings. It was literally all just from fish. And when they tested me my blood levels of mercury were over 30 which is not possible almost. I remember and I am just so passionate about this now because I think especially with the-- you mentioned the sushi, for example. I don't think people really realize the extent to which-- while the effects of mercury and also choosing low versus high mercury fish. I wish we could see mercury because then people would realize, "Oh, if I have a piece of swordfish that could literally be 300 pieces of tilapia in one piece of swordfish, I've checked," which is just absolutely crazy so many questions. You said you tested with hair mineral analysis. There's lots of debates about the different testing methods, so many debates. How do you feel about testing hair versus urine, stool? What are your thoughts? And then challenged tests, what are your thoughts?

Wendy Myers: Yeah, with hair mineral analysis, it is scientifically valid for testing heavy metals. I think the issue is a lot of people don't know how to read it and they don't understand the nature of heavy metals testing, that many times on any metals test if your body isn't detoxing well, you're not going to have metals show up that you do, in fact, have in your tissues. And that has to be accounted for any heavy metals tests that you do. Even the best heavy metals tests, you're not going to see all the metals that you have in your body until your body is better able to detox. It has the nutrients it needs, it has the energy it needs. You're doing things to mobilize metals out of your tissues, detox supplements, or infrared saunas, or ionic foot baths, or liver optimization, or whatever you're doing or all of the above. I think that's where maybe misinformation comes about hair mineral analysis. But the fact is, everyone can do a hair mineral analysis, not everyone can do urine metals push test using chelators, because it's for especially someone who's ill, and they need to do testing that can make people very, very ill to do a urine push test. And then some metals come out in different ways in the body, some only come out in the hair, some come out in the urine, some come out in the stool, some come out we see that better in the blood. It's just ideally you want to do all those tests and then you'll get the best picture of your body burden of metals. But you still, especially if it's the first set of tests, you're not going to see all the metals you have in your body. It's just the nature of heavy metals testing.

Melanie Avalon: So, I did do urine tests and I did challenged versions. And for listeners, basically, you take a chelating agent, well, backtracking. You can take the urine test without a chelating agent to see what you are at baseline. And then you can take a chelating agent that helps pull out those metals and then you collect your urine and you can see how much is coming out with that agent. And a question I've had about this for so long because I know when I did it personally because I did it for quite a few months. And I experienced exactly what you just talked about, which was-- I had a certain amount come out in the beginning, and then the more I did it the more it actually would pull out-- it was like going in deeper and deeper and pulling out more things, I would see the uranium like you mentioned, I was "Oh, what is that?" I'm curious, so how would know when you have pulled out-- if you're doing urine, for example, when you have pulled out the metals that you "need to pull out," versus when you are actually just you might be good, but now you're just going in really deep and pulling out even more when maybe you don't need to be pulling that out. I don't know if that timeline would-- if you would see that on a timeline, is there a point of diminishing returns where you reach a point where you're just going in too deep?

Wendy Myers: Well, no, because you have to do detox based on your ability to detox. We want to push the envelope a little bit, but not so much that you can't function, and the amount of time people need to detox is going to be a little bit different for everyone based on their ability to detox, and how much energy they have, and things of that nature. Roughly, if you're a somewhat healthy person, you probably need a couple of years to detox to get the majority of stuff out of your body and then you can do a maintenance thing where you're doing some ionic foot baths one or two a week or a couple of infrared saunas a week just to maintain your clean healthy body. But if you're chronically ill, you have complex chronic illness, you're probably looking at four years or more. Detox is a lifestyle, we have decades of accumulating these toxins, and there's 100,000 plus chemicals in our environment, dozens of heavy metals. Accumulating this stuff for decades, you're just not going to get it out in six months. It just isn't going to happen.

Melanie Avalon: This is something I'm also really passionate about spreading awareness on and what I love that you talk about in the book, and also what you just said, which I think sometimes people can realize that they have heavy metal toxicity, and they just want to go fast, and they want to get it out now, and that's definitely what I did. And in retrospect, I think I did a little bit of damage by not paying proper attention to minerals and going too fast with chelation. I think I pulled out a lot of minerals from my body. I'm really passionate about people taking the right approach, which like you said is probably very individual. The actual heavy metals themselves and you talk about this in your book, Limitless Energy. How do they actually like how do they hurt us? What are they actually doing to our mitochondria? I'm fascinated by this concept that they can actually take the role of other minerals or enzymes. So, what are they actually doing to us?

Wendy Myers: Yeah, what metals do and this is why they can negatively impact every organ and organ system in the body, your brain, everything, your energy producers, your mitochondria is because they poison enzymes, they poison proteins, they poison all of our different glands, our hormones. They just mess up our whole communication system. It messes up our hormones, our neurotransmitter production, our blood sugar control. The number one cause of diabetes is toxins. It's not our diet. Because a lot of people have been eating carbs since Timbuktu, from the dawn of time. And we didn't have this plague of diabetes that we do now. And it messes up digestion, absorbing your nutrients. It doesn't matter what you eat, it only matters what you absorb. And digestion is hugely impacted by heavy metals and decimating our mercury or copper or other metals, decimating our gut bacteria, our gut lining, and not only that but our energy production of which 30% of our energy is used for digestion, it impacts our digestion in so many different ways damaging our hydrochloric acid production, our digestive enzyme production, on and on and on and on. And aluminum and other metals lead, mercury reduce our brain activity, reduce neurotransmitter production, reduce electrical signals being sent from our brain and our nervous system if not outright, kill brain cells, I can just keep going on our infertility, ability to reproduce, it just goes on and on and on and on.

Melanie Avalon: The actual metals themselves, that they are inherently "Bad or toxic," or is it just that they are not the materials that our body uses and so they're messing everything up? To further clarify, manganese for example is a metal, but we use that also for our health. What determines, like I mentioned before, I'm fascinated by them, taking the place of other enzymes? Are they naturally toxic or is it just that they're not made to be used by the body?

Wendy Myers: Well, there're two classes of metals, like some of them are physiologically required in our body, we need a little bit of nickel and a little bit of manganese and a little bit of other, iron and things like that. But if there's too much of those, they can become toxic or too little those we impede function, physiological function. And there's another class of metals mercury and lead and arsenic that have zero physiological function of the body and they will poison the body, so they need to be out of the body.

Melanie Avalon: I was fascinated to read in your book, was it arsenic that specifically poisons the enzymes that transport the triglycerides out of cells that can lead to weight gain? That's so fascinating.

Wendy Myers: Yeah, I had this problem, when I got my metal assessing, I had such high arsenic and I told you, I had trouble losing weight. And I thought it was really fascinating when I read that arsenic poisons enzymes that transport your fat out of your fat cells or your triglycerides out of your fat cells. It can definitely impede weight loss. But there are also a whole class of chemicals called obesogens that can make your fat cells grow exponentially larger or can also just make your body harbor weight. A lot of people that have excess weight and they might be doing everything right with their diet and exercise. I've had countless clients come to me that are doing everything right and they're just not losing weight and they think, "Oh, I'm getting older or maybe it's my hormones are whatever it is." But your body is innately intelligent, it uses fat to store all these toxins and chemicals and obesogens. Your fat is a garbage disposal, it's a garbage can. It's a storage facility. And so, your body isn't going to let that go. It needs it. A lot of times when people have trouble losing weight, it's just a detoxification issue and you coax all these toxins out and get rid of them and the body can let the fat go.

Melanie Avalon: Yeah, this is a reason I talk on every single show about the importance of safe skincare and makeup because I just think that's-- our exposure to obesogens and endocrine disrupters. I think people just don't even realize how detrimental it can be and the systemic effects that it can have. Speaking of sources of exposure, when it comes to diet, for example, is a processed diet higher in heavy metals or does it not have anything to do with that, is it more about the types of food. You talk about how organic food can sometimes actually have higher amounts of certain metals. When it comes to eating, what should we eat? How can we avoid this?

Wendy Myers: Yeah, for sure, any processed foods or fast foods are going to have all different kinds of metals and chemicals in them that organic food may or may not have. With organic food it estimates about 7%, 8% of organic foods still have pesticides in them if they're grown next to a conventional farm that is using pesticides. And organic means chemical free, pesticide free, it does not mean heavy metal free. Organic food can be grown on a farm that used to use a lead-based pesticide or arsenic or fluoride-based pesticide that still persists in the soil, but it's just not using that anymore but that will still get into the food depending on what crop it is. Teas and hemp and other crops and herbs very, very good at pulling heavy metals and chemicals from the soil. The more the nutritious food is like an herb or tea, the more it has an affinity to pull heavy metals and minerals from the ground.

Yeah, going back to the packaged foods and fast foods that they have high fructose corn syrup that can have mercury in it. If it has partially hydrogenated oils, nickel is a catalyst that helps to hydrogenate those fats and you make them solid and sit on the shelf and be good for two years and not go rancid. All the partially hydrogenated oils, soybean oils, and all those things have nickel in them, not to mention the food packaging that's either made from plastics or has a different PUFAs or PFAS. These are chemicals that whisk away grease or they just make the food be more attractive in the packaging. And there's just a lot of different chemicals and food colorings and food flavorings and food additives and stabilizers and emulsifiers and things that are used in these, Frankenfoods, frankly.

Melanie Avalon: It blows my mind that things aluminum are literally added to flour, salt, sugar, baking powder. I'm assuming because I know in your book you talk about, a lot of the main metals that are issues that some are classified as carcinogens, but are some not, is aluminum, considered a carcinogen?

Wendy Myers: Well, carcinogens are things that cause cancers. Aluminum has been detected as being a contributor to breast cancer. But really, the biggest offender is cadmium, cadmium causes more cancers than all of the other heavy metals combined. And cadmium is what you find in cigarette smoke and marijuana smoke. And what it does is it essentially damages our DNA and when a cell divides, cell's copying, that DNA can be damaged, it copies this aberrant copy of our genes. And then that can then lead to-- if it's allowed to grow out of control, maybe the immune system is down, it's poisoned by heavy metals, it's just too overwhelmed with all different types of infections, then that cell can be allowed to grow out of control, and turn into a tumor, be it benign or malignant, or cancerous. And that's the genesis of how cadmium causes cancer in the body. And that's why we see cigarette smokers with such high rates of different types of cancers. And it's that cadmium, you're getting a high level of cadmium in the cigarette smoke.

And it doesn't matter even if you quit 20 years ago, if you haven't done any type of detox, I still have clients that quit, they only smoked for a year 20 years ago or longer even and they still have a high amount of cadmium. You get cadmium from shellfish and anywhere you find mercury, you also find cadmium because these are all coming into the atmosphere from coal deposits, coal burning industry, get into the air we breathe it into the air, it gets into our seafood, settles in the oceans. A lot of places we're picking up cadmium today. But there are other metals that cause cancers, mercury, there's plenty of them, arsenic as well.

Melanie Avalon: Speaking of, you mentioned how long ago people were smoking and they still have the cadmium, the half-life of these metals, which ones stay in the longest, which have the longest half-life, which ones have a shorter half-life?

Wendy Myers: I don't really know off the top of my head, honestly, I think it's just not terribly relevant to the average listener. But the fact is, a lot of these half-life are no, a lot of these metals get into our body, we do have the capacity to detox them and release them. But many people are accumulating metals, they poison our ability to detox them and release them ironically. The more toxic you become, the less you're able to excrete them and detox them. And also, your body becomes overwhelmed and your liver becomes overwhelmed and digestion becomes compromised when the liver becomes compromised. People over time tend to accumulate these metals and having a harder time detoxing them regardless of what the metal's half-life is.

Melanie Avalon: Talking a little bit about the herbs you're talking about. I knew that that was also an issue with spices. I tend to eat a ton of ginger and turmeric but in really large amounts and I've actually wondered if the cost-benefit of the-- anti-inflammatory potential of the spices versus am I bringing in metals. Do you know if that's an issue with high amounts of spices?

Wendy Myers: I wouldn't be worrying about ginger, turmeric or anything like that, but those tend to be foods that promote detoxification, and same thing with Greens powders, Greens powders have a lot of boron in them, so the boron tends to bind onto heavy metals or prevent them from getting into your body. The bigger issue I think are teas, sometimes of spices that are grown in India or China can have high amounts of heavy metals in them. You just have to be aware of that and because farmers are paid for their weight so in India and China, they add lead to some spices.

Melanie Avalon: They add lead.

Wendy Myers: They add lead because the lead is very heavy.

Melanie Avalon: Oh, my goodness, wait, they add it on the down-low or they add it like it's just okay to add it?

Wendy Myers: It's a very common practice because they're paid for the weight of the spices. Yeah, you have to just be careful of the sources where you buy stuff, buy organic, buy stuff that's grown locally in the United States. I'm not as concerned about herbs and things that we use for cooking. And if they tend to be small amounts, a lot of people listening to this show are probably using organic spices and things like that, we're not as worried about that. The air is a bigger concern, just the air you're breathing is probably a bigger concern than what you might be getting from spices.

Melanie Avalon: For the air, can something like air filters-- when you look at air filters, they say mold and toxins, they don't list metals, is that something that can actually be filtered out?

Wendy Myers: Yeah, depending on the filter, for sure. It just depends on the type of filter. it's in our home usually, it's chemicals that are a bigger issue. And yes, we have mold and things like that. But yeah, if you have the right air filter it will get heavy metals. But here's the thing, even there's a lot that you can control in your environment, your beauty products, your diet and things that. But even you take every measure imaginable, as I've definitely driven myself nuts [laughs], do all these different things to prevent the influx of toxins in my body, and I've made a lot of changes and spent a lot of money. No matter what you do, you're still going to get toxins in your body. Because of the air we breathe, the water that we're showering in or going in the pool, or even organic food, you're still going to have metals, maybe some pesticide exposure. You really have to remove the most obvious sources of metals, do the best that you can with your budget. But really, you have to think about a daily detox strategy and something that you're adding to your health regimen. Because it's a fact of life and if you look at the research, it's clear these metals are impacting you, they're causing the main chronic illnesses of our time, heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes, they're contributing to fatigue, they're messing with your hormones, with your fertility, with so many different things.

If you have various health issues or you just feel like, you should feel better based on the effort that you're putting into your health, and your diet and things like that, then you may want to start looking at detoxification and adding a detox strategy to your daily lifestyle. And I think it's absolutely necessary. It's why I do what I do and try to educate people. And why I'm focused on this topic is because I assure you, you need to be focusing on it.

Melanie Avalon: I agree. Approaching that, what is the role especially like the way you approach it, in detoxing versus adding in minerals? Adding in versus taking out? How should we start with all of that?

Wendy Myers: Yeah, when you're detoxing heavy metals, anywhere you find metals, you also find minerals. They occupy similar binding sites in the body, meaning a mineral needed to do something with an enzyme or transfer a hormone to convert one hormone to another. Certain minerals are needed to do that to make energy and your ATP cycle and the Krebs cycle. If you have different heavy metals, heavy metals can interfere in the functioning of that if your body is mineral deficient, it may need to use heavy metals to accomplish the same job. Or, for instance, say you have cadmium toxicity. Your body needs to use zinc to repair your skin and your arteries and things of that nature. But if you don't have enough zinc, so you've been listening to the American Heart Association, and you stop eating red meat, or animal sources of zinc, nuts are not a good source of zinc, you're not going to have enough zinc and if you smoke a lot of marijuana or cigarettes at any time or whether you just got it from sushi, if you have a lot of cadmium in your body, your body is going to use that cadmium to repair your arteries. And cadmium is very hard and brittle. Not so great for our arteries that are constantly flexing and need to be very flexible, stretching and becoming wider and then narrower and things like that. Over decades of that, you can get hardened arteries and then high blood pressure, heart disease, things of that nature. That's why smokers develop heart disease and high blood pressure. It's the cadmium that slowly hardens their arteries. That's just one example of that.

Another one is, say, people that get cramps all the time, you need potassium in your muscles for them to operate properly. But if you've accumulated a certain amount of thallium, which is in petroleum deposits, it's in the air. If you have a cesium that's in our environment for nuclear testing, anywhere there's been a nuclear accident, or maybe nuclear testing we've not been told, the public hasn't been informed about, everyone I test has cesium. Those will occupy those binding sites in the body where potassium is supposed to be, it doesn't matter what you do, how much magnesium you take, or whatever you're trying to do, you still will get those cramps because your muscles can't function properly because of the thallium and cesium. There're just a couple of examples, because it's happening in all of your body systems.

Melanie Avalon: When a person is approaching this because you started this off by talking about the role of testing, and in your book you have specific tailored protocols for the different types of metals, does a person need to actually specifically go after a specific metal? Or can they just detox in general with the different things?

Wendy Myers: Yeah, well, you can definitely start with detoxing in general, okay, because this is a whole body systemic issue, where you need to open your detox pathways, you need to mineralize your body, you need to get your body functioning in a way that facilitates the release of heavy metals. One of the easiest ways to do that is taking a trace mineral complex, I really like Quinton, I like Healthy Salt. Those are both in my store on myersdetox.com. There're lots of great mineral supplements out there, but those I found are really the best. And then you want to mineralize your body eating the top five detox foods, garlic, ginger, onions, egg yolks, and broccoli sprouts, incorporating a lot of those into your diet. Make sure you're pooping, eating a lot of dietary fiber, you're still not pooping, maybe doing some coffee enemas, coffee enemas are great for optimizing liver function, you got to get that liver working well to be able to detox, and lot of people's livers are just not working well at all, they're overwhelmed.

And our livers do many things. Maybe you can do infrared saunas are amazing to sweat out toxins and things that. Those are overall detoxification strategies. And you can also take binders, binders are amazing, they absorb toxins like a sponge, they're usually a certain type of fiber that will help to grab onto metals and you poop them out, poop them out of your body. And I have a product called CitriCleanse, that's grapefruit citrus pectin. And it's got some cilantro extra with some other things to help you detox and those are great overall strategies.

Overall, I think it's wise to see what you're working with. Once you get to a certain point or you're interested in detox, you want to see what metals that you have, because you need to take certain specific supplements that are required to remove those heavy metals. And it's smart to see what you're working with, track your progress, see if what you're doing is working or not. And that's usually going to require working with a detox practitioner that's trained and doing this to help you avoid any pitfalls, help you course correct with their supplementation, or what have you. But for sure, different metals have different nutrients that more effectively remove them. It's good to test.

Melanie Avalon: When a person does test their hair because I know when you do what they say to pull it out from the root of your head, are they testing the hair closest to your head? What's the timeline of how quickly it matches what's actually in your body? Just because hair takes a long to grow? I'm curious. Can you see a timeline in your hair? Would the metals be different like down your entire length of your hair?

Wendy Myers: Oh, yeah, for sure. when we're doing a hair mineral analysis, we're only testing 1 inch or about 2.5 centimeters from your scalp. And that's going to give us the most biologically active recent picture of what tissue levels of heavy metals that you have. Because your body is very good, your hair is basically a big garbage can [laughs]. I know it looks good and everything but it's a garbage can. Your body is dumping lots of stuff into it including minerals, which give us clues as to heavy metals that you may have, which a lot of people don't realize. So, if you have a properly red hair mineral analysis you can see a lot of metals that are not overtly on hair mineral analysis. But yeah, we want to see that one inch of hair growth, anything longer than that doesn't interest us. But we can see heavy metals that you've had. You can test your pubic hair, you can see heavy metals do have-- pubic hair is very slow growing. We tend to not want to use that. We want to use very biologically active head hair. And that will give us that 1 inch of hair, gives us about a three-month picture of what your body is detoxing and releasing.

Melanie Avalon: And I know there are resources in your book, is there a certain lab that you like for the hair mineral analysis?

Wendy Myers: Yeah, I use Trace Elements International, it's called TEI, they're great. There're other companies out there, Doctor's Data, but we use the Trace Elements.

Melanie Avalon: Okay, cool. And for listeners, the show notes will have a full transcript and links to everything that we talked about, so that will be helpful. Okay, some questions about some of the things that you mentioned. So, coffee enemas, I went through a period of time where I was like obsessed with coffee enemas, like I was doing them every day. How do you feel about coffee enemas? Do they have any detrimental effects? Can you do them daily? How often should you do them if you're doing them? 

Wendy Myers: Yeah, so a lot of people are probably thinking why on earth would I put coffee on my butt? They're like, "This isn't the right guy." They're like, "Yeah, I'm going to pass on that." Basically, the reason you want to do them is because, one, they help your liver mechanically detox, they squeeze out the toxins in your liver, a sponge, so it can get to the next batch of toxins. It also helps your liver to make glutathione, which is your body's top antioxidant to detox. It dramatically improves and increases glutathione production. It also will relieve detox symptoms, digestive issues, too, if you're constipated or have a lot of gas or whatever. They're great to relieve pain, to relieve detox symptoms as well. And lots of benefits to them. They're like essential. If you're doing a detox program and you're having headaches or you're having other different detox symptoms, they relieve it. Anything you do for detox can deplete minerals in your body. And if people are doing coffee enemas every single day, I have seen some people, not everyone, but some people have a lot of mineral depletion because of that. You can get too much of a good thing. It's one thing if you have cancer or you have a serious illness or something, yeah, maybe coffee enemas are going to be more beneficial to you on a daily basis, or even more than once a day. But for the average person, I think two or three a week is a better pace. And you can certainly do them as needed, some people just start out with one a week, or they've been doing them a long time, they really only need to come up with maintenance where they do it once a week. I used to do them every day. And I got to the point where it just didn't feel right for me. But in the beginning, I was definitely detoxing a lot. I really focused on that. And the coffee enemas really helped a lot. And then over time, it just slow things down. And now I do them once a week, where I definitely had a period, I did them now every two to three days.

Melanie Avalon: Okay, yeah, similar here. I remember the first time I did one and it's when I was actually struggling with anemia a little bit and I was just so fatigued. And I did one and I literally felt I could climb Mount Everest. I was like, "Oh, this is amazing."

Wendy Myers: Yeah, you feel amazing. You feel amazing, not always, but for the most part most will feel really good. After they do the coffee enema. They feel less toxic, they feel more energized, they have a lot of relief, especially if you're constipated. You don't want all those toxins that are supposed to be released through your feces reabsorbing through your colon, and that's what happens if you're constipated. And until you can figure out the source of the constipation, doing coffee enemas is a great way to clean out the bowel.

Melanie Avalon: Because they say that a lot about they say, if you Google coffee enemas, it's always they-- these people that I don't know, but they say that it does increase glutathione like you mentioned. Do you know if that's actually been studied in the clinical literature, just because I hear it all the time? And then I actually did an episode recently with Dr. Nayan Patel, who has a book called The Glutathione Revolution. And I was like if somebody's going to know, he's going to know and so I asked him and he never even heard of that concept. Do you know if it's been studied or is it just a thing that's more known among holistic practitioners?

Wendy Myers: Yeah, there've been a couple of studies and I can't really say unequivocally if the study is 100% valid or has been repeated. It's not something that I've really dug into too much. But I do have an article on coffee enemas on my website and I do cite the study where they say that glutathione increases by 600%. But it's definitely impacting the liver, it definitely helps the liver in all these different detox mechanisms. But you can look at it more closely, and you can read some of the research and the article. If you just go on myersdetox.com/ and search for a coffee enema or coffee enemas.

Melanie Avalon: Awesome, I'll put a link in the show notes to that blog, that's great. I do know when I was in my coffee enema phase and researching it a lot as well. What a lot of people say about them, even though the coffee has caffeine, they say that they get the caffeine boost, but they don't get the jitters, and then doesn't last as long and keep them up at night. And I don't know if that's everybody's experience. But that was my experience and I saw that as well.

Wendy Myers: Yeah, and I found that I could do it at night if I needed to and I could still go to sleep but everyone is different in their capacity to handle caffeine. And it's a genetic metabolic issue in the liver as to how caffeine affects you. And if someone's sensitive to caffeine, they can always use less coffee in the coffee enema. You only need enough caffeine to dilate that portal vein, so that the caffeine can get to the liver and the palmitic acid and other things that help facilitate the liver detox with a coffee enema. You only need enough for your body to react and that is going to be less for some people more for others as far as the amount of coffee grind to use in your coffee enema.

Melanie Avalon: The citrus pectin, I definitely first heard about that from you. And when I was in my blackhole, I was doing the citrus pectin. And then I got reinspired rereading your book to start using it again because it seemed it's probably something that might just be nice to be using ongoing. But as far as taking it, does it need to be taken on an empty stomach? Can you take it with food?

Wendy Myers: Yeah. there's a binder I have, it's called CitriCleanse and it has grapefruit citrus pectin in it and so it is something you want to take on an empty stomach about an hour away from food and supplements or medications because we want it binding on to the toxins, we don't want it binding on to your nutrients or to your thyroid medication or anything of that nature, and we want it to bulk up that fiber in your intestines and just scoop everything out. So, you just want to make sure that you take it on an empty stomach.

Melanie Avalon: Another supplement question and this one is highly debated on the internet as well and that is chlorella. How do you feel about it and the different types and one of the debates online is people say that it is actually really high in heavy metals. That concept in general redistribution as well with cilantro and chlorella. How do you feel about all of that? How do we take in these things and get the metals out without bringing in metals or redistributing?

Wendy Myers: Well, the thing about products being contaminated with heavy metals is that just because a supplement contains heavy metal and someone says I tested this for heavy metals and it's high in metals, don't take it, take my product instead. The issue with that is just because a product contains a heavy metal does not mean it gets into your body because it depends on what it's bound up with. I mentioned with Greens powders, they can have a lot of boron, so that boron will bind on the different heavy metals and prevent it getting into your body, zeolites may contain a lot of heavy metals and test for that, but they're bound up and they will not get into your body. The same goes for different clays that are used for detox, they can have a lot of aluminum. That stuff is not getting into your body. It's too tightly bound up with the different materials that are in it. The same goes for chlorella. Chlorellas work really good for absorbing all different types of metals. Yeah, you might take them and they have some metal contamination in them. But it's going to be probably removing more toxins than it contains, you're going to have more of a benefit to taking it than not taking it. You have to take the right kind of chlorella. It needs to be broken cell wall. There're different types of chlorella. I really like sun chlorella, I really like the type of chlorella that's by BioPure, BioPure is an amazing product. But you can't just take any chlorella and expect some miracle. There're different qualities, there are different ways that it's treated. Like I said, you have to have a broken cell wall or it's not going to be as effective for detoxification.

Melanie Avalon: Do you have a preference? I think the two types it's vulgaris and then pyrenoidosa or something, there're two different forms.

Wendy Myers: Yeah, they do different things. They just detox different stuff, so in an ideal world you can take both.

Melanie Avalon: Okay, cool. How about spirulina?

Wendy Myers: Yeah, it's the same thing, the same concept. Spirulina is more about nutrition. It doesn't have as much detox capacity as chlorella, but super, super, super nutritious for you, it feeds your body nutrients that it needs to facilitate detoxification.

Melanie Avalon: Okay, and how do you feel-- I mentioned the redistribution aspect, because there's the whole world of people on the Cutler protocol, for example, where they're doing ALA, every three hours, and they're super concerned with redistribution, so they never have cilantro. Because they say it'll pick up stuff and then drop it somewhere else. How do you feel about that?

Wendy Myers: Yes. I'm not as concerned about that. If you take binders and that's the whole point when you do any detox, you want to make sure you're taking a binder. It's absolutely important. But yes, everyone is a little bit different. When people have severely compromised health issues, they have chronic fatigue syndrome, or they have complex chronic illness, their ability for toxins to exit their body is compromised. In that case, yes, you want to be aware of mobilizing toxins and redistributing them, if you don't have certain nutrients or binders or your body just doesn't have enough energy to detox. So, the Cutler protocol does work for some people, but I think it's a fundamentally flawed protocol for several reasons and I just don't want to really get into that. But I think the whole redistribution is, it's an issue that's overblown in my opinion. But if you have a complex chronic illness, yes, it's something that you want to be highly aware of until your body-- you facilitate your body's ability to detox. And on my protocol, what we do-- I think it's much more effective to work with the body on a bioenergetic level, do bioenergetic testing, and get your body working properly before you do any detoxification protocol, especially if you have a complex chronic illness. And that's a much more effective way to approach the body because the body physically takes direction from your body's energy field. When you input correct operating instructions by doing NES Health bioenergetic scans and following the protocols to essentially put new operating instructions into your energy field, your body starts detoxing so much better and then you don't have to worry about the redistribution aspect so much.

Melanie Avalon: What is the NES Bioenergetic Practitioner and how do you measure those fields? 

Wendy Myers: Yeah, I have a team of detox practitioners and about half of them are also NES Health Practitioners. NES Health is a very sophisticated bioenergetic software. They can scan your body for well over 500 different data points and then see where you need help, it'll find where your top issues are in the scan, be it your emotional trauma, be it maybe your heart-lung meridian, or you have just some organ that's being affected, it'll little test all your food sensitivities and all different types of aspects of your body. And then it will give you the top issues you need to work on, and the order of which you need to address them. And you can do different protocols. It has two different protocols that you can use to fix the issues that are found in the scan. And that facilitates detoxification because it's just fixing your body overall, improve its function. It's a program I've done for about six or seven years. The thing is with say doing the Andy Cutler Protocol or what have you is the Andy's detoxification in general when people are really just approaching the body on a physical level, like "Oh, let's take this supplement, let's do this infrared sauna, let's do-- what have you, eat detox foods. The body works bioenergetically and this is well established in the research. We have this energy field 10 feet or about three meters in diameter around our body. And that's where the vast majority of the communication takes place. And that's also where a vast majority of communication breakdown happens, where it then interferes in physical functioning, it causes an eventual breakdown in physical functioning. And things that interfere in our energy field are emotional traumas, emotional trauma causes 65% of physical health issues, heavy metals and chemicals cause blocks in your energy fields, that EMF's, electromagnetic fields from your cell phone and Wi-Fi cause an interruption in your body's energy field. And it's much more elegant and much more effective to do testing to see what's going on with your energy field, what are the blockages, clear them to restore physical functioning, and the detoxification you do is much, much easier. We need to work on the energetic plane, we need to work on the physical plane as well. You can't do bioenergetics and eat a bad diet. And then we also need to work on our psychological plane as well. But for detoxification, you have to be thinking on an energetic plane as well.

Melanie Avalon: The actual scanner, is it a machine? What does it look like?

Wendy Myers: Yeah, you can do a galvanic skin response, it looks a little mouse and it can be sent to your house where you can do a scan, you can also do a voice scan. And both of these pick up all the different frequencies in your body. And it's eerily accurate.

Melanie Avalon: Wow, do you have thoughts on Rife machines by the way?

Wendy Myers: I use Rife machines for sure. Rife is great. It's amazing for infections. Rife is just a plasma, it's a light, it's a plasma machine that uses flashing light to send frequencies to your body to kill different infections or to send information into your energy field. I find they work great for chronic infections, for Lyme, for brain infections, parasites, viruses, bacterial infections, things of that nature. But with the NES Health, it's much more tuned to getting your body-- the optimal blueprint for your body to function a perfectly functioning body. it's just a little bit different. It's just tuning your body overall into better functioning. Whereas a Rife is good for infections.

Melanie Avalon: Do you have the MOPA?

Wendy Myers: I don't have a MOPA, I have a Spooky2.

Melanie Avalon: Okay, gotcha. Yeah, I have the MOPA. I feel like I go through periods where I get really intense with things. I went through a period where I was trying to use that for Lyme and CMV. I haven't used it recently but it's pretty cool. It's very overwhelming though.

Wendy Myers: Yeah, I love Rife. It's an amazing technology, but it's very expensive. You do have to spend some time learning how to do it, it's very difficult for tech-challenged people or brain-fog people that are very ill. But they're amazing, Rife's amazing.

Melanie Avalon: Speaking to, no pun intended, the emotional trauma and addressing it how do you feel about modalities for that? I know talk therapy can actually be an issue, how should people actually deal with their trauma?

Wendy Myers: Yeah, see that's a thing with-- all of us have emotional trauma. We have different negative stuck emotions and traumas that we don't realize are unconsciously driving us in our behaviors. The research is clear, 65% of physical health issues are caused by emotional trauma. And this is why after working with 1000s of patients, in my own health journey as well I realized that I had just done everything perfectly for my health. I just did everything physically. And then I found NES Health and NES Health works on emotional trauma as well. It identifies what your emotional traumas are and what organ is being affected. I started on my emotional detox journey in that way and then realized how much my emotional trauma was affecting me physically. Over the last few years, I had done everything physically for my health, I had reached the pinnacle, I couldn't do more physically for my health. I thought what is the next step because I was still waking up just like meh, just not feeling excited about things, not feeling consistently like, love, joy and peace in my life, which are the highest frequency emotions. I just thought there just has to be something more, I'd had 10 years of talk therapy, and the talk therapy doesn't work for emotional trauma. You certainly become an expert in your neuroses. And it can help get perspective on mommy and daddy, making better decisions in your relationships and things that. And some people need that support if they don't have support in their lives, that's a lifeline for them. But as far as getting to emotional trauma and releasing it, the emotional traumas reside in our energy field, the emotions reside in our energy field, they are not anywhere physically in the body. And they have a frequency which can be measured doing bioenergetic scanning, they have a frequency just like anything that can be measured, and we have to address them in the energy field. And we can do that with NES Health. We can do that with biofield tuning for sound therapy and there's a tremendous amount of conventional medical research that shows that you can input frequencies into your body to release emotional traumas.

Melanie Avalon: Wow, that's a big paradigm shift, I think for people. Do you currently, like ongoing how are you dealing with all of your emotional trauma?

Wendy Myers: Yeah, I've been working on mine for a long time, I had 10 years of talk therapy, and I still had a lot of trauma left over because I wasn't really addressing the root. For me, I did NES Health for many, many years and I do biofield tuning fork therapy in addition to NES Health. I go over all of these protocols and all the research that I just mentioned in my--, I have an emotional detox program. And it's a 30-hour program, it goes very, very, very deep into why our physical abuse that we've suffered or emotional neglect, which is actually much more common, but just as traumatic as physical or emotional abuse can affect us as profoundly is that this emotional neglect or you just didn't have emotional connection or attunement with your caregivers. And I go into all that, how and why in the research, and what emotions to work on, and biofield tuning fork therapy and how to do it and all that stuff in my course. But I have a free masterclass, people can take if they want to-- this is touching a nerve for them. And maybe feel they're doing a lot of things, but they just feel they need to do something a little bit more on the emotional detox side, or they pursued a lot of physical stuff, and they're not getting better or not seeing the results that they would like, you want to think about working on the emotional side as well. I have a class, it's at emo-detox.com and that's a free masterclass, it's incredibly interesting and goes into all the data and the statistics and the research, what I'm talking about in regards to emotional trauma causing physical health issues and how to release it with sound therapy.

Melanie Avalon: We'll put links in that to the show notes and even if people think they don't have trauma, I know I had Wim Hof on the show who was one of the most inspiring people I've ever met in my life. But he was talking about, how trauma travels through generations like up to six generations, I think. And they actually study the epigenetics of the stress actually is inherited, which is crazy.

Wendy Myers: Yeah, and that's the problem, a lot of stuff that you have that you're dealing with may not even be your own stuff. But still it's in your energy field, so it's passed from generation to generation through the energy field and it can be released and erased from your timeline like it never even happened using sound therapy.

Melanie Avalon: Wow, I love that. I know we're in the emotional side of things but I do want to touch on one of the physical detox methods that we didn't dive deep into yet, which is infrared sauna because I am obsessed with infrared sauna. I started doing it for the purpose of detoxing mercury and I do it almost every single night of my life that I can and I loved reading that part of your book because you dive deep into it. How do you feel about sauna, infrared versus dry heat or other versions? Do you do it nightly? What are your thoughts on sauna?

Wendy Myers: Yeah, infrared saunas where you're using a far infrared sauna or a full-spectrum infrared sauna is amazingly effective for detoxification, and getting out a lot of the fat-soluble toxins that are in our fat cells and our different tissues and things like that and they come out through our sweat. So, it's a great way to sweat all this garbage out, lose weight, and activates your immune system, and it increases this easy gel water in our tissues. It has a lot of huge benefits. It activates our parasympathetic nervous system to relax us, lowers high blood pressure, things like that. There are regular saunas, like the dry saunas or even wet saunas or steam rooms that people may have at their gym. Those don't produce as many toxins. Anytime you sweat, you will be releasing toxins and but they aren't as productive where you're not releasing nearly get as many toxins and you're essentially wasting your time, other than maybe it's relaxing you and kind of feel it's really good to your muscles. It's doing a regular dry sauna or a Swedish or Finnish sauna that is not going to get you those detox benefits you're looking for.

Melanie Avalon: What sauna do you personally have?

Wendy Myers: I really like the Influencer Saunas for a wooden sauna because they get really, really hot. I have three saunas.

Melanie Avalon: Oh wow, of course, you do [laughs].

Wendy Myers: Yeah, I go jump from one to one but I use-- the Influencer Sauna is a full spectrum sauna. I also like-- I have a bulb sauna, it's called Sauna Fix that you can get on creatrixsolutions.com. And that one is great because it heats up really fast and it's mainly a far infrared sauna. Anytime you have heat that's produced by far infrared rays. And it also has some near-infrared, but those have different benefits and then I also have a TheraSauna, because that when you have red light therapy, infrared and they have ozone, like a little ozone generator you can put in there that enhances your detoxification. I just hop from one to one, but I do a couple of times a week now, I used to do it every day but I've been detoxing a long time, so I just don't need that at this point.

Melanie Avalon: I have a Sunlighten and I have the solo unit that people can have in their apartments that you lay down inside of. And I just "Ah", I just love it I started it for the heavy metal reasons. But now I just keep it because it just helps my sleep. It makes me feel-- it's hard to describe if you haven't done it, but when you come out of a sauna session, I just feel cleaner on the inside. I literally feel cleaner. I don't know how else to describe it.

Wendy Myers: Yeah, you do feel that, you feel a lot cleaner. And also, it really relaxes you. Before you go to bed, it can be nice to do. But everyone responds differently. Some are relaxed by it, some are more stimulated by it. You just have to figure out what works for you.

Melanie Avalon: And I learned something in your book, this blew my mind. I read it and I was like no way. I was like this can't be true. And then I went and did some research on Google Scholar and it is true. I didn't know that the human growth hormone release from exercise requires heat. If you're exercising and not getting hot, you're not getting that human growth hormone release. And in your book, you talk about the human growth hormone release potential from a sauna, which I was like, nobody's talking about this. That's a really important fact to know.

Wendy Myers: Yeah, anything you can do to release human growth hormone is great because the clients are after the age of 30 or so. Anything you can do to enhance that is awesome and that's one thing that infrared saunas will do.

Melanie Avalon: "Oh, which something else that enhances that which I would love to hear your thoughts on? How do you feel about intermittent fasting?

Wendy Myers: Yeah, I think it's one of those things, it's great for a lot of people, there're tons and tons of benefits. I think there're some people that if they're super, super thin, if they're very, very chronically ill, if they're very, very stressed out, it might be a little bit more, maybe not recommended for those people. Everyone is different, but I think if you're relatively healthy, tons of benefits from autophagy and other things, I think people eat too much food, and they need to eat less food because if you're eating food all the time, your body's not detoxing, all the energy is going to digestion. We need to have times like our liver or if you're eating at night, there goes your liver detox because you have to have times you're just not stuffing your face, from a few hours after dinner until-- for me I just don't eat until I get hungry in the morning because I know my liver needs to work and to detox. And if I'm eating all the time, I have food I'm processing all the time. I'm just not doing the detox that my liver needs to do because now it has to deal with all this food that I'm putting into it. I do practice intermittent fasting and it's taken me-- it takes you a minute to, I guess, adapt to it and to get your body to not feel hungry when you are doing it. If I eat at night, I'm always starving in the morning and it's just insulin without fail. If I eat at night then I'm hungry the first thing when I wake up, but it's not real hunger, it's just a blood sugar crash. But if I don't eat after 7:00 or 8:00 PM and then I can go until noon the next day and not eat because my body's burning fat.

Melanie Avalon: I'm jealous of you, you are the chronotype with all this that I want to be like, I want to be the earlier eater that sleeps well, going to bed, I'm the opposite. I have to eat, I eat all at night and then not during the day.

Wendy Myers: Everyone is different. Everyone is totally different, so you have to play around with all this stuff and see what works for you.

Melanie Avalon: I'm super curious because you've been in this world for so long. Have you seen a lot of developments in detox methods and detox potential? Are there things on the horizon or is this the system it's like set? I'm just wondering if it's in the biohacking world where there's something coming out every day.

Wendy Myers: No, not really because you know the way your body detoxes has been that way for millions, millions of years. So, that mean the only thing I would say that would dramatically change detox as I said, doing this type of bioenergetic program, NES Health, that is really the top-of-the-line ways that you can correct your body's functioning so that your body can detox better and faster. So, just getting rid of all the energetic blocks, causing physical dysregulation, physical malfunction where it's impeding your body's ability to detox. That's going to be the most cutting-edge biohacking way to address your body's functioning.

Melanie Avalon: Okay, I guess I was thinking like, do you use pharmaceutical chelation in your practice?

Wendy Myers: I do not, as I think it's too harsh and it doesn't do a deep, deep detox. It certainly has its place if you have life-threatening heavy metal toxicities or you have acute exposure. Yeah, do chelation but for many people they can't handle it. They don't fare well if they're very, very ill or it's not done correctly. And people can get very, very sick and can damage their kidneys doing that. There're just safer ways to do it. It's not a race, but it does have its place.

Melanie Avalon: I'm glad to hear you say that. And because I said, I did go that route when my mercury was 30-something and it did the job, but I'm really nervous about the damage that I probably did. And for listeners who are wondering, there's typically EDTA, DMPS, and DMSA are the three, it'd be super cool if they could develop-- I was talking about developing something, if they could develop the perfect chelation agent that would only pull out the metals and not the minerals. But yeah, we can dream.

Wendy Myers: Yeah, and your body can only do much in a day. It can only detox so much in a day. And if you try to force it, that's when you can run into problems. You just slow and steady wins the race here. Taking minerals, the more minerals you take in it because it can take a long time a year or more to replete a mineral to get your body the amount of magnesium that it needs to detox. And just by taking minerals over time, not mega-dosing minerals., but just slowly but surely taking minerals every day on a daily basis, can start slowly but surely pushing metals out of your body, get your body's detox mechanisms working better. And that's going to do the deepest detox, that's going to get to places that chelators can't go because your body will, it doesn't matter how many chelators you take, do the DMSA or EDTA, your body is not going to allow metals to be released that it's using for different purposes because it is using some of these metals like I told you before.

Melanie Avalon: I didn’t think about that.

Wendy Myers: Yeah, it's not going to allow everything, but it'll clean up a lot of stuff. But there can be a price to pay and people can get very ill. I mean, they can be knocked out for a couple of months if they don't have the detox capacity, you have to fix your detox pathways first. you have to build a foundation of your house before you start building the house. You have to do things in a certain order and that can take working with a qualified professional that really knows how to detox the body. And that's why I created a team of detox experts that can help you on your detox journey.

Melanie Avalon: I don't know if you have an opinion on this. Do you have an opinion on, because a lot of people will do the challenged urine tests? And with a main issuer of that and the results that you get from a challenge test are compared to a non-challenge population. It always makes you look really dire in a way. Do you have thoughts on that? I know it's a little bit controversial.

Wendy Myers: Well, no, not there has to be some method of comparison. I think that's a fair comparison to look at. That's why you take a chelator like that to push out the heavy metals, so you can see that compared to people just going pee [chuckles] without a chelator. So, yeah, you have to have some method of comparison. I think it's perfectly valid. But taking a chelator once is typically not a problem for most people but it is for some.

Melanie Avalon: So, a final question to wrap it all up. You spoke a lot about your journey and how long it was, and this need to-- it's not a race, go slow, be consistent. I'm just reflecting on when I was in my dark hole listening to you all the time. And it can be a very dark place. And it can feel you want to get better you don't know what to do. You do want to go fast because you just want to get this stuff out. And I know we're all individuals, but what can people expect if they do start on your detox protocol? Just how individual is it? When will people start feeling better? And is it linear? Do people make big jumps? What do you see with people who follow your protocol?

Wendy Myers: Yeah, as long as they're falling and they're taking binders, they typically don't really deal with a lot of detox symptoms, somebody might if they just start taking a chlorella or they just start doing something random. But I think learning how to detox it's a journey, there's a lot to it. And that's why in my Myers Detox Protocol, we do testing, then we have a whole course that people can take and there's a ton of free resources on myersdetox.com. I think it's easier to do a test and start working with a practitioner that can really answer all of your questions because you have a lot of questions like, you're going to have a ton of questions, just like I did, just like you did when you first detoxed and you didn't know what detox supplements to take. You get all those recommendations based on testing that you do on my Myers Detox Protocol, but everyone is different. I mean, most people start feeling better within the first 30 days or so just by taking minerals, people feel more relaxed, they feel less stressed, they're sleeping better. Their body's needs are being met better, they don't feel as tense when they start getting taking magnesium, they have better immunity, they stop getting sick as often. There's just a lot of different benefits to starting on a detox program and it does take energy to detox. That's why we try to build people up for a little bit, build people up, get those minerals coming in. Because detoxification does take energy, that has to be accounted for. So, sometimes people can have bad days where they feel tired or wiped out. But then it just passes as whatever toxin or pesticide is coming out, detoxes.

Melanie Avalon: Are you of the opinion, because some people say when you detox, you should expect to feel bad, but some people say no if you're doing it right, you shouldn't feel bad?

Wendy Myers: Yeah. it's going to be different for everyone. And if people do start feeling really bad, they're doing everything right, then with your practitioner, you course correct. And you figure out what's the better supplement? What's the better form of magnesium? Maybe you should do bioenergetics first, or what have you. But like, everyone is different. Some people don't have any detox symptoms at all if they take a binder, or they stay properly hydrated, or what have you. But other people, it's the kind of like the stock market where it goes up and then it comes down a little bit, it goes up and you improve, and then you have a bad day, and the healing and detoxing is the same way. You have an upward trajectory generally, but there are some days or weeks where you feel like crap. And it's like the stock markets crashing and then it goes back up, and then you feel great on other days, you can't expect with any mode of healing, you just automatically feel better instantly when you start doing it. It's just not reality.

Melanie Avalon: Well, the last question I ask every single guest on this show, and it's just because I realize more and more each day how important mindset is, which is appropriate given everything that we talked about. What is something that you're grateful for?

Wendy Myers: I am so grateful for being able to do what I do to help educate people about their health. And I feel the greatest work that I've done that I'm the most proud of is my Emotional Detox Program. Because I think it's one of those things that is largely overlooked, that people aren't aware of that's affecting them the most. And people are largely unaware of it. Really my larger goal for people and what I've discovered in this work that I feel like I've been guided to do is that in-- when you have negative blocked emotions, you have emotional trauma, it has these very heavy frequencies, heavy metals and chemicals have these heavy negative frequencies that pull you down, they interfere in your functioning. And so, people can just stay mired in this energy-draining, "How do I fix myself, I feel sick all the time," or they just can't seem to get out of this downward spiral in their health or their mental health because they're so occupied with these two issues. And when you do detox your body, when you do emotional detox, and you start decalcifying your pineal gland, for instance, people can get closer to their Creator and people are more inclined to having the bandwidth to explore their spirituality, to be more in tune with mass consciousness, to be more in tune with their intuition, when they raise their frequency by detoxing physically and emotionally. And that for me is really the gift and the blessing and why I do the work that I do, is to help people almost have the luxury of their health that they can connect spiritually to their Creator.

Melanie Avalon: That's incredible. And when did you say you started focusing on this aspect of all of it.

Wendy Myers: The Emotional Detox part was probably about six, seven years ago when I started NES Health. And that's really when it came into my awareness. And I've just learned a lot more since then. That's why I developed The Emotional Detox program when I realized that people just needed to really be focusing more on this.

Melanie Avalon: Awesome. Yeah, I think it was probably right after-- because when I was really listening to your work, it wasn't coming up quite as much. That's probably in the beginning stages when you are getting into it. But thank you much, Wendy. I've been looking forward to this for so long. You're doing such incredible work for many people. You've had a profound effect on my own life. And I will just be forever grateful for that, so thank you.

Wendy Myers: Yeah, thanks for having me.

Melanie Avalon: How can people best find all of your stuff?

Wendy Myers: Yeah, you can go on myersdetox.com. And I also have the Myers Detox Podcast, I'm on YouTube and Instagram. You can take my free masterclass, The Emotional Detox masterclass at emo-detox.com. And if you want to test your general body burden of heavy metals, just with a lifestyle questionnaire, I created heavymetalsquiz.com. And that's really, really cool way to kind of check what your general levels of heavy metals are. And there's free video series after that, it gives you some education on detoxification.

Melanie Avalon: Awesome, well, thank you. We will put links to all of that in the show notes. Thank you so much again, I look forward to all of your future work and I wish you just the best rest of the day week and year. Thank you so much.

Wendy Myers: Thank you.

Melanie Avalon: Bye.

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