The Melanie Avalon Biohacking Podcast Episode #291 - Ian Clark

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Melanie Avalon

Friends, welcome back to the show. I am so incredibly excited about the conversation I am about to have.  I've been looking forward to it for quite a long time now and the backstory on today's conversation. So I was introduced to the fabulous Ian Clark, actually through an employee of Dave Asprey. And I went on his show a few months ago now and that was like a really such an honor to go on that show and we had an incredible conversation and Ian asked amazing questions and I just, I still reflect really fondly on that. So I'll actually put a link to that in the show notes so people can check it out in any case. So we had that interview and then we got to meet in person at the Biohack Yourself premiere at A4M. So that was exciting. Ian, by the way, did you, how'd you, like, what did you think of that event?

Ian Clark

Well, it was very interesting. It had a lot of different aspects to it, from everything from commercial aspect to deep level, real entrepreneurial adventurers, you know, who are into high level wellness and just coming up with some really, really interesting concepts. And it was a great networking event.  I was a little disappointed. They didn't play the actual film that was of what we thought was going to happen.

Melanie Avalon

I heard that from a lot of people. They thought it was going to be the actual film. I remember it like literally the day of because I was hosting on the red carpet for it. So I was there all day and with the producers and everything. And they didn't even know like that morning. They didn't even know if it was going to come out that day or on Christmas. So yeah, it was a lot.  Wait, were you in the film?

Ian Clark

Yes.

Melanie Avalon

Oh my goodness, I wish you had been in my station, my red carpet station. I could have interviewed you there.

Ian Clark

Yeah, it would have been much better.

Melanie Avalon

But either way, I got to see you afterwards. And like you said, there were so many people there. Yeah, so that was really fun.  But yeah, so today's conversation, I am so excited, friends. So Ian is the founder of an incredible brand called Activation Products. And what I love about this brand is he makes so many products that we're gonna talk about in the health and wellness sphere that nobody else is making. And definitely not to the extent of the quality that he is doing with these. There are so many of them, and I have so many questions about a lot of them because there's a lot of education on the website. One of the big topics of it, he does make a lot of seed oil products. And actually, so this is a true story, Ian. When you first, or your people or whoever, when I got the email about your company and what you do, I was so intrigued by what you do and everything. And I was actually, I'm embarrassed to say, hesitant about the seed oil concept because I was coming from this idea that I think is very pervasive in this health world that when we think seed oils, we think like omega-6s, and then we think processed oils. And we think, oh, we shouldn't be taking oils from seeds because that's not natural. So I knew there was therapeutic benefits, but I actually had some hesitations. So I'm really excited to dive into all of that because reading about all of these, apparently there are a lot of health benefits that I'm missing out on.  You have so many other things as well, like iodine-related stuff that I wanna talk about and magnesium, and then this activator thing where you like hate yourself that I wanna hear about. Yeah, and then on top of that, just getting to know you, even if briefly, through your podcast and the meeting in person has just been so lovely. So thank you so much for being here. I have so many questions for you.

Ian Clark

Yeah, thank you for taking the time and appreciate the work you're doing to bring these important aspects to health and human health, high level wellness to people. It's a big challenge and it's a mission you're on, which is really, I'm really grateful to be a part of that.

Melanie Avalon

As are you, I send all of that right back to you and and actually so we talked about this a little bit when I was on your show can you tell listeners a little bit about your personal story because you had your own really intense health challenges yourself so what happened with that in your history.

Ian Clark

I think it was back about 21 years now and I was 46 years old at the time and was challenged with very significant life-threatening health issues like a big tumor in my perineum which is in between the legs and visible and noticeable in the human body. It was a tumor that was growing and making that area very swollen and I had heart disease as well as I had a liver problem that I didn't know at the time that turned out about two years later.  These were very life-threatening and I had gone to the medical institutions because that's all I knew to do at the time and my oldest brother was a medical doctor for 30 years so I was consulting with him as well as talking to specialists and GPs in Toronto. The thing that was shocking to me was that in 2004 I was being offered the same remedy treatments as my uncles were offered in 1978. Both of my mom's brothers, they passed away in 1978 two days apart both of cancer and they were diagnosed within 12 months they were gone and they followed the exact instructions and protocols of the medical institutions.

Ian Clark

They went through all of the different procedures and the same barbaric procedures they were offered in 1978 was exactly the same as being offered to me in 2004 and so when I talked to my brother about it I said you know we there's got to be better things now right it can't be like the dark ages and he said what are you talking about these are the only things that are available and what do you think you're going to do otherwise I said well there's got to be some natural ways of approaching this he goes no no there's nothing but snake oil salesmen out there nothing is double blind placebo controlled randomized studies on any of that stuff that's so called natural and he also told me that in his clinic so at that time he had been 23 years in his practice he had 11 doctors working for him in his clinic so he saw thousands of people go through there and he told me that his total genetic predisposition that you're handed a hand of cards your Delta had a cards in life and you got to deal with them and you know it just so happened that I took after my my mom's younger brother my uncle Don who and I looked like him he said you're just like uncle Don and this is what happened to him you know there's nothing you can do I said really he was yeah he said I've seen people part of their face off and eat out of the dumpster and live till 94 and then another guy is you know juicing and eating organic and dying at 36 he says it's just the you just got to deal with it and you don't if you try to venture out you'll dive much faster and you've got to pay attention you know and I had about a 36 month window if I did everything they said you know and then sometimes they might give you five years but I was young at 46 I thought I was middle-aged you know that's another big lie that we can talk about that's not middle-aged at all and I just and we had just we're raising seven children my youngest daughter was my youngest child was my daughter Hannah she was only six years old at the time it was like are you kidding like I'm supposed to give in and give up and give this over to doctors it didn't make sense and I've been asking doctors who I was seeing you know why do I have what I have what's where did this come from they go I don't know you just have it and this is the only thing that you can do to get rid of it you got to cut it all out and it turned me right off I was scared and I was turned off and they were obviously trying to bring fear into the whole thing so that I would comply with what they were telling me to do and I woke up one morning in the middle of all this chaos and I had this gut instinct that there were people on this earth somewhere who had the highest level of knowledge in natural healing they were somewhere on the earth I didn't know who they were where they were how to find them but I just knew they had to exist and that brought hope I thought well that how do I find them well you can't find them because there is like a needle in a haystack so I verbally out loud made a request and I said if I would if I would be led to these people because I know I can't find them but if I could be led to them and if I could have eyes to see them when I meet them and also you know get access I will do whatever it takes if I whatever I'm required to do I'll do it and just proceed from there and so that was the beginning of the journey and nothing happened overnight at all nothing happened quickly it was a very slow motion but what I told everyone I said if I have 36 months to live that doesn't mean I'm going to be dead in 36 months.

Ian Clark

That means that I'm going to need to use that 36 months to get five years or get the five years and you get 15 years. And that's how it went.  I just started to meet enough people soon enough in the natural healing space to learn why I have what I had and how to get rid of it. And that took seven years. So I'm here today, 21 years later, and I'm healthier than I've ever been in my entire life. And every day I get a little bit healthier in every category, which is the joy of what we're going to share today.

Melanie Avalon

That is such an incredible story. I did not realize you had seven children either. That's a big family.  Oh my goodness. Do you remember, I know you said it didn't happen overnight and there were a lot of people, but do you remember the first moment of meeting somebody that had an effect on you after you made that verbal proclamation?

Ian Clark

Yes. Yeah. That was in December of 2006. No, no, no. That was January 2006. December was another major date.  January of 2006, I had been studying on Dr. Google to try to find out stuff. And I found out about hemp protein, that you need protein. And I had stopped eating meat at that time because I was told that all the meat was very contaminated and had hormones and all these different things that were bad for me. So I had become a vegetarian at that time and as a vegetarian, you need protein. So I went to a store called Whole Foods that I'd never heard of before. That was in Toronto. And it was as soon as they opened, I was in the store. And when I went in there with my oldest son to find the hemp protein, which we did, there was a gentleman down the aisle a distance who looked like he was setting something up, but I wasn't really paying attention to him. And we got the hemp protein and we were turning to go to the front of the store and check out. And he came walking up behind us and he said, excuse me, sir. And I turned around and looked at him and I thought maybe I dropped my keys or something. And he said, you know, I was trying to get your attention, but you were not paying attention to me. And I have some things that I would like to show to you if you're interested. I had my little booth back here. And so I said, sure, let's go back. And he stood there for half an hour and he explained to me all the things that he had on his table from new chapter at the time and synergy and how they made all these special nutritional products that were really good for human health. And as he was telling me this, I asked my son to go grab a cart and come back and reloaded up a whole bunch of stuff that he instructed me to get. And the thing I noticed about him is he had perfect skin, very bright eyes. His eyes were like perfectly white and the color was really brilliant. And he was very intelligent. He was very calm. He wasn't hyped at all. And it was fascinating. I was like, wow, this guy is really healthy. And I'd like to learn more from what he's just telling me now. So when he was done telling me about the products and we got him in the cart, I asked him, I said, well, how come you're so healthy? Is it because of these products? He said, well, the products are part of it. He said more is my lifestyle. I said, well, what kind of lifestyle do you live? He goes, well, I'm a raw food vegan. I said, okay, what's that? And he said, well, I only eat raw food. I don't eat any cooked food. And I was like, really? How does that work? And he goes, well, I've spent half an hour speaking to you already and I do have to finish the conversation, but let's go to the front of the store. So he took me to the front of the store and he, in front of the cashier, there was a rack with magazines that were called Vitality. It's a free publication in Toronto for Canada and has a whole bunch of health information and different things that they advertise in there.

Ian Clark

And so he opened it up to a page and he showed me the total health show was coming up in March, three months from then. He said, you got to go to this show. And there was a guy there who teaches about raw food vegan. If you want to learn, because it was so foreign, like, what do you mean you don't cook food, right? And his name was David Wolf. And he said, you go and you go to a seminar. He's going to have a seminar there. You go listen to him. So I thought, okay. So that was the first step.  And when, when they showed up at, when I went to the, to the event and his team showed up and David spoke, it was very eye opening. And he was talking about super foods and all these different supplements you can take that are beneficial for just feeling great and how to get your body tuned in and detox it. And so that was the beginning. And so I listened to that and literally became a raw food vegan overnight and followed along and did all that stuff and did the super foods. And that's, that was the beginning of the journey.

Melanie Avalon

Did you stay a raw food vegan? And if so, and when you went overnight because you had gone into Whole Foods with a focus on protein, did you focus on being a high protein raw food vegan?

Ian Clark

Well, that was a part of it. I didn't really focus on that too much. Cause as soon as you go into that raw food vegan world, which I did for four and a half years, I definitely don't do that now. And there's a bunch of reasons for that.  But I, if what it did is that it introduced me to a world of super clean eating, becoming very aware of organic, becoming aware of soil that things are grown in. And it, it, my body lost 90 pounds in the next six, seven months. And so I was quite overweight. And, and so that was a big change, but that hammered my liver. And I turned kind of all yellow and ended up in a, in a situation where I had to deal with that was when my liver issue showed up. It was, it was so bad that the person testing me, the technician was testing my liver on a special machine. He was actually testing my whole body. And he told me, he says, I've never seen numbers this bad. You need to go to the hospital immediately. Like don't even go get groceries, just go straight to emergency. He said, I don't even know how you're standing here. And that was already in 2007. So I spent the whole year juicing and drinking wheat grass juice and sun flowers, produce, and eating all these raw foods and super foods. And so I was quite shocked that I had this problem. So I did focus in on liver health for about a year and that, and I, and it took until 2009 for my liver to be in the normal medical range.  So I did deal with it. Tumor was still there. It had shrunk down quite a bit from the size. It had grown a lot over that time. I had a little bit too much information, but I did have a third testicle in my scrotum. And that's how much the tumor grew into that area. And it went into the rectum because that's just the way that they go. And then it, it did shrink down in size in 2009. And then in 2010 I found about, found out about this substance called silver dihydrogen citrate, but it's not sold in the market for consumption at all.  It's a very high end cleanser for commercial kitchens and surfaces. And it's called hard surface. But the company that manufacturer said is there's no toxicity and it's a, it's something you can consume and it will go in and remove all of the infections out of your whole body. And they told me to take the little three ounce bottle they gave me. There was a, there was light protected and spray seven sprays in my mouth that night. I didn't know it was going to relate to my tumor, but I did spray that night and when I woke up in the morning to have a shower, the area where the tumor was, was very puffy and swollen and that I thought, well, that's gotta be connected to this stuff. And it was. And every night I sprayed seven sprays in my mouth and every morning I woke up, it was even bigger and bigger and bigger until it was half the size of a football. Literally I had to wear loose jeans and waddle around for that last week of the two week period of I took the stuff for two weeks.

Ian Clark

And then on day 15 when I woke up that morning to have a shower, it had shrunk right back down to its original tumor size, the hard tumor. And I thought that was weird.  So I kept going. I was only going to do it 14 days, but I kept on going and nothing happened after that. And then it took a year and my body dissolved the entire tumor out of my body. It was completely gone by 2011. And that was, you know, to me, miraculous. I was like, wow, that was like, what was that? And it's been gone ever since.

Melanie Avalon

Whoa, what did you say it was that cleaner?

Ian Clark

silver dihydrogen citrate. Now the company who makes it would never want that to be published, but I have told a lot of people it's $25 for a gallon of it and you only need just a few ounces. You don't even need a few ounces. It's like probably I used a whole maybe an ounce and a half in that because I did it for four weeks. And then when nothing else happened, I just stopped using it.  It just tastes like lemon juice. It's very interesting. It's a technology where they take a silver ion that's Pico size is much smaller than nano and it's attached to a citric acid molecule. And what happens is any pathogenic stuff in your body will consume the citric acid as a candy. And inside that is the silver ion that tears the DNA of that microbe apart and it eliminates it. So if you sprayed on a surface, for example, in your kitchen, unlike an anti antibacterial spray, which is very commonly used within 15 minutes, the bacteria is back. This stuff keeps the bacteria on the surface gone for 72 hours. So it's a rather remarkable thing, but it's called hard surface cleaner from the company's name is pure bioscience. If anybody calls them up and says if they could use it for internal, they won't even sell it to them.

Melanie Avalon

Oh, I bet not. Have you thought about making an equivalent product?

Ian Clark

I have thought about that, but I looked into FDA regulations and they won't allow it. If you're caught selling that, they will come in and stop you and give you a fine. It's just not allowed.

Melanie Avalon

Yeah. Wow. That's crazy. What was the first product you actually made? And was it also in your health journey?

Ian Clark

Yes this was the this was the kickstarter that this is where the term activation products came from because when i took it it's called oceans alive. And it was unheard of at the time because the main ingredient in it is a nutritional molecule made from marine phytoplankton it's harvested originally from the ocean and then it's grown on land because there are thousands of strains of marine phytoplankton in the ocean all over the world. And there was a 40 year study from 1960 through the early 2000s where they were analyzing the benefits of these marine phytoplankton species for aquaculture, fish farms, for making biofuels and they discovered there are two strains that are a perfect match for the human nutritional profile. And so they started getting people to take it because in europe you can't even sell it there unless it's registered as a novel food because it's not on their list but in canada in the US and other countries it can be sold and so there was a gentleman in Vancouver Canada who was bringing it in in a powder form and i bought a kilogram from him.  It was quite expensive and and i i started taking a teaspoon a day and within a couple of weeks i noticed i had a whole different energy in my body and within three months. It was like my whole body got charged up like a battery charge and i was amazed at how good i felt even though i was still really sick i just felt really good. And i started telling people about it in canada and they were not interested at all they're like ooh that's like like algae like pond scum that's what they would call it. And i go no no this is very sophisticated, this is a superfood maybe it's an ultimate superfood you know. And and so then i was told by somebody through a whole bunch of weird synchronicities i got these phone calls where i was told about expo west in anheim california so in march of 2007. I took it down there and showed some raw food hippies who are in the raw food vegan world and when they took it they were really excited about it like what is that stuff what does it do. And i said all i know is it charges your battery up and you're going to feel it and they would take it and within 15 minutes ask me if it was even legal because they said boy we feel this stuff. And i said well yeah no it's totally legal it's a it's a superfood it's available and i can get it they go well we'd like to get some. So when i went home i got a couple of phone calls and they started ordering it in that year i found out how to stabilize it in a highly concentrated sea mineral liquid. Where you don't have to freeze dry so it was actually fresh and raw and stabilized just like the day it was harvested I even have samples of that product from 2007 today the still smells and tastes and works, the same way as it did 17 years ago 18 years ago.

Ian Clark

So that yeah that was a phenomena and and i didn't know that we were going to have a business around that but they started ordering thousands of bottles at a time. And we didn't even have a company set up so what I did is we set up a small room in our basement and sanitized it made it already clean and our children helped us fill bottles with little beakers and funnels.  And we bought pipe at bottles from the local supplier and printed labels on our computer and that's how we started and in the first 24 months we did 2.8 million dollars in sales.

Melanie Avalon

Oh my goodness, whoa, and what year was that again?

Ian Clark

That was between 2007 and 2009 and when that happened, I realized we better pay attention because this is something that we're going to have to have a serious company around so we formed a small company. And we just kept on shipping down to the states and then 2011 I wanted to get it online, which we did and I did a little video and a person wrote some sales copy for us.  And a friend of mine had a favor that he could call for underground health reporter who had 150,000 people in their email list and they sent a single email one email to their list and we did $84,000 in sales in three days from that one email. And people loved the video and they loved and they got the product and they loved it and they then we just started selling directly to people at that time. And then we've sold like $30 million since of that and that exploded into a significant company in 2014 that we took another three years to get a real proper company set up with all the certifications, which is a major challenge because you got Health Canada and Canada FDA in the states. We had to register this with them and we got all the certifications, the insurance policies, all the compliance stuff that we had to do.  And so we've, we, we sold around a hundred million dollars worth of all the products that we kept discovering over the next 10 years and we took $35 million of profit that we got from that, from those sales and we reinvested it into research and development and to build a factory. So we now have a 70,000 square foot facility here in Canada where we produce all our products and we ship them internationally.

Melanie Avalon

Oh my goodness, that is so cool. You're like vertically integrated during all the things. Question about oceans alive. So well, one, so you said it's raw. So is it actually alive, the plankton?

Ian Clark

Well, it is, but it's suspended instantly. What happens when you put it into the high concentrated sea mineral liquid? It does an osmotic transfer of salinity that is like pickling something. It instantly pickles it, but it's not a pickling process, per se. But what it does, it suspends it exactly as if it was just freshly harvested. And that's actually done in Europe at the facility where it's produced. Because otherwise, it wouldn't even last a day.  They would have to freeze dry it. And so there's no freeze drying, goes right into the solution. And there's a very specific percentage that we learned about. And they made us wait two and a half months before they would let us sell it because they didn't believe it could possibly stabilize it because they'd never heard of doing this before. But I knew a guy in Australia who was doing this with stinging nettle juice, Hawthorne berries, and they were perfectly stable. So I thought, maybe it'll work with the marine phytoplankton. And it totally worked. So that's something that's been our premier product from day one. And the second product that came in was a transdermal magnesium that I learned about a year after we found out about The Ocean's Live. And that is another very effective magnesium supplement that goes into your skin. You just spray it from your neck down to the bottom of your feet every day. And it replenishes your body with all the fuel you need from magnesium. And that's also an ocean water extract that is done in Europe at a really high purity grade. It's called magnesium chloride hexa hydrate. And it takes us 12 hours to make it in our factory. We put it into medically grade pure water. And then it goes through a process for 12 hours in a special machine we've got that makes it so that when it touches your skin, it immediately goes into your body. And that's actually our number one product right now.  It's called Ease. It surpassed The Ocean's Alive. But we're coming out with other versions of The Ocean's Alive in the next year in a dosage form. Because The Ocean's Alive right now is in a pipette, a bottle of liquid. And you put it in juice or water or your smoothie. And it has an ocean taste to it. And some people love it. And other people don't love it that much, but they still take it because of the effect. So that's what powered our company to be able to do all the research and to find out about other products. We only have 15 products. We're not like companies who have hundreds of them because these are functional, foundational, and they're detox as well.

Melanie Avalon

A few other quick questions about Oceans Alive. One, you mentioned the taste and then the saline suspension or the solution because I noticed it tasted really salty.  Is that coming from, where is that coming from? The salty flavor.

Ian Clark

Well, there's a special place where they harvest the sea minerals from the ocean and they do it through an evaporation process, but they don't evaporate it to dry salt. They evaporate it down to a liquid that is so thick, it's like syrup. If you spill it on the floor, it takes quite a while to mop it up and it goes through a purification process to make sure it doesn't have any contamination in it. And so that's all done in Europe.  And then that gets shipped to Canada and we blend two different strains of the marine phytoplankton together to make oceans alive. So it was actually blended in Canada. The first one we came up with was only the gatatana. It's called nanochloropsis gatatana. And then we added tetra-semous because that's the second one that's even more powerful.

Melanie Avalon

Just because I've done a lot of education around spirulina, is this in the same family as that or is this completely different?

Ian Clark

Well, the spirulina and chlorella and donalalia are three other different strains of an algae, but they're freshwater-based. This is marine-based, so this has an infinite number more of nutrition in it than the spirulina or the chlorella or the donalalia. And it's just in a different world altogether.  Spirulina, chlorella, and the other different ones out there are good. They're the efficacy. And with the ocean's life, you're only taking 17 drops a day. It makes a big difference, whereas you've got to take teaspoonfuls of the other ones. So they have a totally different function.

Melanie Avalon

I'm gonna start taking it daily now, so I'm excited about that.  Also question about the Transdermal Magnesium. In the past, when I experimented with Transdermal Magnesium, I had the experience where it would sting, and then I read online, Dr. Google, that that meant your body really needed it. Is that true or is that a myth?

Ian Clark

No, that's a total myth. Those products will sting and be itchy and you'll want to rub them in and wash it off.

Melanie Avalon

Like really bad, yeah.

Ian Clark

Yeah. And so ours requires no rubbing in at all. It goes on very, very comfortably. It looks like water, but when you spray it in your mouth, you find out how strong it is. Yeah, it just goes immediately into your skin without any irritation. Now, if you have dry skin, it'll take two or three times to hydrate your skin and the dry skin will tingle a little bit, but that'll go away right away. So there's only a few people who have ever said it tingled much because most people in the health world have good quality skin that's moist. It's got hydration in it. So that's the experience.  I don't know why these other companies do what they do because they buy the cheapest magnesium chloride from mining operations that you could find. It literally costs them almost nothing to buy. Ours is pricey, but we don't charge more. It's the same price. Maybe we're a little bit more than other products in the market, but a month's supply is only $29 and that's where most people sell their stuff. And there's no comparison.  People immediately say, wow, what a difference. And you feel it within 90 seconds and it gives your brain the fuel it needs to function at a high level. It helps your muscles relax. It gets all the calcification out of your body because the magnesium joins up with the calcium in your joints and your muscles and your cardiovascular system to get back to the right place where it's supposed to be in the bones.

Melanie Avalon

Well, I love this. I talk about the benefits of magnesium all the time. And like I said, I was hesitant about transdermal versions because of my experience and what I was reading. So this is very clarifying.  Another product you make that I have been haunted by with questions about is iodine. The reason I'm haunted is twofold, I guess. One is that I got diagnosed with hypothyroidism like in 2014, I think. And that's when I first started learning about the importance of iodine. And I went down the whole path of do like the iodine skin test and take iodine. And the first time I took iodine, it's the only time where I took a supplement and I so obviously reacted that it scared me. So like the next day or I don't know if it was the same day or the next day, but my eyes turned bloodshot red. It was really scary. So then I was reading that that was because I was shedding other ides like bromides and fluorides. I don't know if that's accurate or not, but in any case, so that's the first reason I'm haunted by iodine. The second reason is actually the first guess that I had on this show, I know we're like at 200 or 300 episodes now, but it's Dr. Alan Christensen. It was not for his book on iodine, but I had him back for his book on iodine and he actually makes the argument in his book. I think it's the thyroid reset diet that the problem with iodine and thyroid is that people have too much iodine. So that was really confusing to go from hearing that everybody needs iodine to reading his book and thinking, oh, we actually need to go on a low iodine diet and like get rid of iodine. So I am like very confused by iodine.  And you make a very interesting form that is aqueous base. So just with water, iodine, I hate you with a lot, but what are your thoughts on iodine?

Ian Clark

No, so I went through that whole journey myself as well and did that with some clients here and there.  We started out with a very potent form of it, which is way too strong and it had a whole bunch of other elements like the Lugos, for example, is one.

Melanie Avalon

That's why I used.

Ian Clark

Yeah, the iodine and the iodide and a whole bunch of other stuff and even put a skull and crossbones on the bottle when you get it. But that's way overdose. And it's also conflicted with a whole lot of other material which you don't want. So we brought it out to start with back in 2010. The lab guy accidentally spilled some on his arm once when he was moving a beaker around. And he instantly washed it off as fast as he could. But he got alopecia and all his hair fall out was in weeks. And so that was like, okay, we're not going to do that anymore. That was the end of that.  Because I thought, what if somebody spills our product and then you got a big liability? So I didn't do anything at all with iodine for another 10 years. Wow. Okay. And I didn't touch it. So we found out in 2020 about a technology where you take pure form iodine is called I2 molecular iodine crystals. And the technology that we were shown was how to turn that into a gas and infuse that into medical grade water at 300 parts per million. And when I did that one, I had only good response, 100%, because your body wants a low dose, but it wants a high volume of that low dose. So now instead of taking a very high dose, low volume, your body is now going to be able to regulate and every cell in your body, because the thyroid cannot use iodine. Everybody thinks that iodine is for the thyroid, but it's not. It's for every cell in your body and everyone's iodine deficient. But what happens is when the iodine goes into your body, it may react with fungus or yeast overgrowth or heavy metals or some kind of microbial thing like a pathogen. And when it reacts with them, it shuts them down and converts to iodide. So now you have pure iodide going into your bloodstream internally, and that's what feeds your thyroid. And you just got just the right amount of iodide going to your thyroid. And the other important thing about the thyroid is it gets plugged up with bromide and fluoride. And that makes the receptor site so they can't receive the iodide. But the iodine goes to the thyroid and cleans out the receptor sites. Even though the thyroid can't use that, it helps it by cleaning it out. And then now the iodide can get in there. And the thyroid takes iodine fuel and converts that to T3, T4 iodine hormones that power the endocrine system, gut health, and brain function. So you're just getting the right amount every single time. And so it's in a super safe zone. We've had people with hyperthyroidism, hypothyroidism, Hashimoto's, all kinds of things get great response and feel much, much better where their thyroid comes back online properly because it's getting fueled with the right dosage.

Melanie Avalon

So when it goes in and quote cleans out the thyroid, which can be clogged up with bromides and florides and stuff, can it have that effect of shedding? Like, can you have a detox reaction by shedding the bromides and florides?

Ian Clark

Well, no, you don't because the, well, because it's such a low dose and a high volume, it's just a gentle, super gentle. You'd have to drink a whole bottle to have a big reaction and you would never do that.  You know, like when, when you get a 500 milliliter bottle, you take one cap full in four ounces of water and drink it. Now in North America and some other countries, they say the recommended daily allowance according to government policy is 150 micrograms, which is nothing at all. Like that's so low, it's ridiculous.  You go to Japan, for example, where you have some of the most intelligent people in the world living a very, very long time. They take up to 10,000 micrograms a day that they recommend of the pure form. So it's like, why, why would there be that difference with government regulations?  So a cap full is around 5,000 micrograms and it's super gentle because it's in the right form. Having in the right form is everything that means makes all the difference in the world. So that's, that's the, you know, people, I recommend everybody start with a very tiny amount and see how they feel and then add a little bit more and see how they feel until they work theirself up to a cap full a day. And when you do that, you're going to see a huge upgrade in your overall brain health and your endocrine system because that, and of course your whole body's going to get energized.  Men use it, they'll spray it on the scrotum because the scrotum is like a sponge, it goes right in and that's the raw material for you to produce testosterone. For women, if you're iodine deficient, you're going to have fibroid problems and endometriosis. That's the root cause of those issues.  So it's just a phenomenon and same with gut health. Like people get diverticulitis, they get, you know, maybe a Crohn's disease or whatever these terrible things are that can happen with their gut and by making sure your body has the iodine deficiency fixed, those things just go away. The iodine doesn't cure anything. The body heals itself when you support it with the fuel it needs because you can't make a medical claim and say it was going to cure that, that's ridiculous. It doesn't cure anything. Your body will heal itself when you give it the right fuel.

Melanie Avalon

I will say it was nice because I had been making some saline rinses with the other form, like Lugol's iodine, which feel like death doing them. And I made it with yours and I was like, oh, this is much more approachable.

Ian Clark

Right. It even tastes good.

Melanie Avalon

Yeah, I was like, I can do this. I remember the first time I, when I had COVID the first time my friend was a doctor and he was like, you got to make this iodine rinse. And he like gave me the recipe and it was so much iodine in it. And I just did it. And I literally, I was like the burning sensation. I was like, this is horrible. I'm not doing this again.  Do you know if the form of iodine and iodized salt is that problematic?

Ian Clark

Well, that's potassium iodide. And I consider that a toxin to the body.  That's what they put in salt back in the early 1900s, because they were having so many problems with goiter and mental illness. When they put it into the salt, because everybody was using salt, they actually mandated that as a law that salt producers had to put the iodide, the potassium iodide in with the salt. And it did help people. But when you can have something that's infinitely superior to that, I don't touch potassium iodide. I have no need for it at all.

Melanie Avalon

Okay. Yeah. I wonder, I need to read, it's been so long now. I want to reread Dr. Christensen's book.  Yeah. It was so confusing to read his book after thinking I needed iodine, but now this is really helpful. It sounds like there's a lot of nuance and complexity. So, okay, iodine. And then, okay, so I teased it at the beginning. You have all of these different seed oil type products. Okay. First of all, just a general question about seed oil products in general. How do you feel about the vibe out there that we should avoid seed oils at all costs because we shouldn't be pressing oils from seeds. It's not like a natural thing.

Ian Clark

No, that's right. Well, and it's actually there's a tremendous amount of accuracy in that statement, because the seed oil that is produced in the world is what I now know to be adulterated seed oils. It's very damaged. It is extremely inflammatory to the body. It is the worst thing you could put in your system, and it's laced in everything.  All the packaged foods, even like organic hummus, is full of adulterated seed oils that is produced totally incorrectly. And the science is out there. You should never have more than 1% of your nutritional intake with seed oils. 1% is the max. As soon as you go over 1%, you've got a problem. And there's a massive difference between adulterated seed oils and unadulterated seed oils. So unadulterated simply means that it's not damaged at all. And it comes from very specific therapeutic seeds. Our number one seller in the seed oil world is black cumin seed oil. It's also referred to as black seed oil. And that has major health benefits, both externally and internally, because it's a whole body tonic. And it goes in the body and cleanses and nourishes the entire body. And you only take one teaspoon a day. And you wait till the end of a meal, and you put it in your mouth. It's a spicy taste. You lean your head forward just a little bit to keep the seed oil in your mouth. You swish it for a minute, and then swallow it with a little bit of water. And it tastes wonderful when you do that. If you just swallow it straight, it's not the most pleasant thing. And if a person has a sore throat, they gargle with it and swallow it one teaspoon, and it gets rid of the sore throat very, very quickly. But it has multiple applications externally, everything from aches and pains that go away to all kinds of skin issues like psoriasis, eczema, acne, dry skin, lesions, abrasions, all that kind of stuff is soothed immediately with the black cumin seed oil. So it's therapeutic. It's in a whole different world. I don't eat any food at all that has seed oils in it. I stay away from it completely. I think it's one of the worst things in the food industry that you could possibly consume.

Melanie Avalon

To clarify, when you said not more than 1%, is that all seed oils adulterated and unadulterated or just adulterated?

Ian Clark

Well, no, that's just all of the above. Even therapeutically, you wouldn't want to go over 1% because your body doesn't even need that for nutrition.  Yes, it has nutrients in it, but it's not meant for that. We have an amaranth seed oil. Amaranth seed is an ancient grain. When you extract the oil from that, it's very difficult to do. We have a technology that does that in this purest form. We don't use any hexanes or solvents or anything like that. This is a mechanical press technology that no one else has. When you do that, you only have one dropper and you're going to get so much energy from that. I can't even understand the mechanics of it because I didn't think you could get energy from oil, but you do. That particular oil is a major energy thing. It also works wonders on the skin because it's got 8% squalene in it. That's a very therapeutic oil and that is only one ounce bottle that you buy it and it lasts a long time.  There's that and there's coriander seed oil for gut health, and that's another just one dropper only of that. It's very small amounts and your body will just love it.

Melanie Avalon

with all of the oils, like you're saying with the black cumin that you, you know, you take it a very specific way at the end of the meal. Like what will happen if you take it at a different time in the meal?  And do all of the oils have a specific time in the meal that you take them?

Ian Clark

Well, all of the oils can be consumed any time except if you take the black cumin seed oil on an empty stomach, it will go in, you'll feel it in your gut and you might even get a burp that'll come up from it, which you won't enjoy. So people can do it.  A lot of people take it straight. I recommend to have it right after the meal because then it goes in with the food and you don't get any reaction at all.

Melanie Avalon

Okay, that makes sense. And for the, you said it's pronounced squalene in Amaranth?  Yeah. So I thought this was cool. I was reading on your website that we produce that ourselves until about age 30, but then we stop making it and that that may be one of the reasons we age so rapidly. So Amaranth oil is really high in squalene.

Ian Clark

It's like 10 times higher than than shark liver oil.

Melanie Avalon

I was gonna ask about shark. I was reading about that. So people get it from shark.

Ian Clark

Oh, they killed millions of sharks every year just for their squalene from the liver. It's a crime. It's terrible.

Melanie Avalon

And then what about the role of omega three sixes in these oils?

Ian Clark

I don't even bother with that. That's some marketing hype that the fish oil industry comes out with. In the fish oil world, they're either triglycerides or they're, they're more on the phytol level, but the, like the poly, poly, um, whatever they call that the dry, I'm, I'm so not interested that I don't even bother to remember the terms. Those have some benefit. I just don't trust fish oils at all because I don't know the purity level or how damaged it is as well. In Canada, they have seal oil, which comes from a mammal. And then there's a big controversy about how they kill the seals and all that stuff that goes on. So I don't bother with that world.  You know, the whole omega three, six, nine, nah, this is irrelevant to me. We have a five seed oil blend that has a little bit of omega three in it because it's got flax and flax oil is being condemned as well, which is unjust. But the reason it gets condemned is because it's produced wrong. Number one, number two is not packaged properly. Number three, it goes rancid very quickly. Ours doesn't go rancid ever and it's produced properly. So it's not damaged and it's stored in mirror on glass. So it's like sunflower, which is a vitamin E flax pumpkin black sesame, which is good for the, for the kidneys and coriander, which is good for the gut. And again, it's only one teaspoon a day. So that, that is like a one stop shop that people love. That's, that's one of our original oils that we came up with and it's sold very, very well because of the response that people get from it. So that, that's, uh, the only combination oil that we make.

Melanie Avalon

Awesome. Okay. Yeah. Cause I was wondering like, could a person take all of these oils, but if so, would that put you over, would you be taking too much oil?

Ian Clark

that'll keep you well below the 1%.

Melanie Avalon

Okay. Okay.  So these oils are coming from therapeutic seeds, like you mentioned, extracting that oil from the seed and then the health benefits of the initial seed. Do you get more benefits in the oil form compared to eating the actual seed? Like what's the comparison between the original seed versus the oil?

Ian Clark

Well, in the seed, the oil is bound very tightly to the fiber inside the seed, and our bodies are not able to extract the oil out of that fiber. So when we press the oil away from the fiber without damaging it, because that's the technology side, that allows your body to get the full benefit in a very low dose of the concentrated unadulterated seed oil.

Melanie Avalon

Okay awesome so for your milk fissile oil for example i know a lot of people often take milk this is a supplement is it the same benefits that people anticipate with that being for the liver and is it better in oil form presumably.

Ian Clark

Yeah, the milk thistle, there's a bunch of different components of the milk thistle that people do, extracts from the flower, the leaves, the different parts of it. The highest concentration of the medicinal benefits are in the oil.  So what people do the milk thistle for is a liver prophylactic. So that's going to protect the liver from damage if they drink alcohol. And or if they have toxic stuff going through their system, it'll protect the liver material. And then if they did drink, they'll take some right afterwards so they don't get the hangover. I don't touch alcohol in my life. I found out how poisonous alcohol is, so I just avoid it like the plague. Milk thistle is just overall good for liver health regardless of whether you drink alcohol or not. And that's only half a teaspoon a day. And it's very concentrated and very smooth.

Melanie Avalon

Awesome. I'm ordering that one like right now. I am a wine drinker. So

Ian Clark

All right.

Melanie Avalon

Yeah, I actually, and I, in the past I'd actually, I had milk thistle powder, seed powder. I don't know if it was good quality or not, but I really like the taste of it is the point.  So I think I'll probably like the taste of the oil. Historically, do you know, because you're talking about these extraction methods and such, how were ancient cultures creating seed oils? Like you talk about Cleopatra and stuff, like did they have systems to do this?

Ian Clark

Back then, what I've learned about the history of our world, you and I were told that when we showed up in this generation that we're the only hyper intelligent generation that figured out how to fly airplanes around and create cars from below the dirt and get the fuel out of the earth and power our vehicles. That's not true.  There are multiple generations in the past and there's all even more sophisticated. In the past, they've had technologies to do all kinds of things. It was not just a mortise and pestle where you're grinding it out by hand. There were ages where the people did that with sea oils, but they would do that daily and then it would be fresh. It wouldn't have a chance to go rancid. If you had a little oil press at home, you could press your oils and then take them right away. It's going to be damaged in that pressing operation like any kind of cold, expelled or pressed significantly damages the seed oil in process. Because you take it right away, it's okay. It's not going to hurt you. People don't want to have to get a little oil press at their house. It's a big pain in the butt and they're expensive.

Melanie Avalon

one of my other shows is called the Mind Blown Podcast. It's my non-health related show.  And we just talk about random fun topics. So we've done an episode on ancient technologies. We did a two part series on the pyramids. And I hadn't really dug into that until I was researching for that. And yeah, it's kind of, to me, now that I've looked into it, it just seems so blatantly obvious that there were advanced civilizations and technologies and things. And it's a little upsetting that if you say that, people think you're a conspiracy theorist for some reason. I'm not sure why. It's like, if there's evidence of this stuff, like why is, I don't know, I find it really fascinating.

Ian Clark

Yeah, well, you know, even talking about it from a common sense standpoint, how is it possible that you have a male and a female on the earth having a child who then grows up and marries another child from another male and female who had a child and the population stays right at the bottom of the chart for thousands of years. And then all of a sudden, in the early 1900s, it goes up to 8 billion people in 100 years, you know, really, guys, oh, yes, the first time has ever happened. I don't believe that for one second.  In fact, there's evidence that there was a massive flood in the earth at one point. And prior to that flood, they estimate the population was 35 billion people, because the earth was five, six land and one six water at that time. And now it's five, six, you know, water and one six land. So, you know, they can try to tell us another one. It's just common sense that no, we're not the only ones who figured it out. Everyone's figured it out over the time. And they just keep doing these resets. Whoever they are, they do a reset. And even you go to Europe and North America, and there's evidence that this place has been around for thousands of years. It's not just in the last few hundred years. And there was a reset done, where you see mud floods, where cities are buried, and they dig down and they find a whole city. Well, how did they get into the mud? Did they dig down into the earth and build a city? I don't think so. It was there and it got flooded.  So mud floods are a whole other topic. And yeah, it's mind blowing stuff. It's like, yeah, but again, the evidence is everywhere all over the world. It's just a matter of looking.

Melanie Avalon

Yeah, it's so interesting. Like when I learned, I mean, semi-recently, when I was looking into this, because like growing up, especially with like the pyramids in my head, the pyramids inside were like hieroglyphics and all this stuff and mummies, then I learned, oh, they've never found a mummy.  And there's like nothing inside.

Ian Clark

and they're lined up perfectly with the star system perfectly. The grid lines are dialed in and how did they make them? You know, who made those? They had levitation technologies. They had ways of cutting rock to precision accuracy. There were 900 tons every piece. Like who can lift up a 900 ton piece of rock and set it perfectly and all the, no, we were lied to right from the very beginning.  And the conspiracy theory is not a theory at all. It's a conspiracy reality. So we're conspiracy realists.

Melanie Avalon

Yeah, I agree. And all the different cultures have this story of a flood. Like, I'm pretty sure there was some sort of flood.

Ian Clark

a massive flood. It was massive.  And the earth was mined, thoroughly mined. People are like, oh, look at those mountains. Most of those mountains are the leftovers from mining operations. You can see all the scraping of all the high tech equipment. They had the massive equipment to dig those things out. Like the Grand Canyon is a perfect example. That's not a natural thing at all. That was done by men who had big equipment.  And they went out and they were mining stuff. We have a cottage north of Toronto in the archipelago. There's 30,000 islands there. And I remember as a kid walking around and going like, where did all these rocks come from? Why is the Canadian shield all broken? There's millions of rocks just around our one island, and there's 30,000 islands. That didn't come from a glacier. Not a chance.  That was mined. And our island is full of quartz crystal. And there were big chunks of quartz crystal left on the island that we found. Big chunks, like big. You couldn't even pick them up. What are they doing there? Oh, yeah, that's just natural. There's nothing natural about that at all.

Melanie Avalon

I love this. I wonder if Stone Mountain is related to that. Here in Jordan, Atlanta, there's like this Stone Mountain thing. Oh, yeah.

Ian Clark

And where did all the volcanoes come from? The evidence is there that that's a toxic leftover from the mining operations. They're not natural in that sense.  It's the Earth's natural ability to detoxify itself. But those are man-made for the most part. If you look at the Mariana Trench that goes down to 50,000 feet in the Pacific Ocean, take a look on Google Maps, you'll see all the scrapings of all the equipment that dug that out.

Melanie Avalon

Oh, that's interesting. So all of that said, do you think in these prehistoric cultures that we no longer have, that they had similar seeds? Like similar things? Like was that a consistency you think?

Ian Clark

For sure. All the vegetation, all the species of plants and animals are in the billions and billions of different species and extinction has been going on forever. There's probably millions of species that are completely extinct that were here way back. The oxygen concentration, the air was much higher, the earth magnetic forces were much higher. People were living over 900 years.  That's really interesting. Why did they do that? Because they were in a totally different environment than you and I are in right now. Those technologies were far superior. They had transportation tech. That transportation technology exists now. They just don't reveal it to us.  It's been around forever. If you look at the documentary Shoot the Moon on Vimeo, not Shoot for the Moon, but Shoot the Moon, the guy who videotaped and filmed the moon for three years straight with a high power lens and a high definition video camera, saw all kinds of interesting things of vehicle movement at nighttime, pyramidal shaped in formation, traveling at massively high speeds with no propulsion evidence at all. How were they moving? There's no fuel coming out the back. There's no evidence of motors and they're flying information. People watch the documentary and they make their own decision. The guy who did that believes that that's human technology that's been around forever.

Melanie Avalon

on the moon.

Ian Clark

Well, it's not on the moon. The moon was the backdrop of light that lit up.

Melanie Avalon

Okay, so where? Where did he see this stuff?

Ian Clark

Yes, shoot the moon is very interesting. But again, each person has to make their own decisions, not listen to what somebody else tells them what they're supposed to think because that's the biggest problem is everybody's told what they're supposed to think and you're supposed to believe that everybody's telling you the truth.  They're not telling the truth.

Melanie Avalon

if you could, this is like so random, this is just a brainstorming question. So let's say there's another flood or some other, you know, catastrophic event coming and we're just going to get buried and it's all going to start over again and people are going to doubt that this civilization existed.  What would you, if you could like write something on a tablet that would somehow survive this event, what would you tell the future generation on the flip side that doesn't believe in us?

Ian Clark

Right. Well, I would say that you have the ability to create aircraft, you have the ability to create vehicles, you have the ability to dig into the earth and get all the minerals out and make all kinds of high technology stuff like we do now. And you got to learn to do it in a non-toxic way so you don't have tire dust. One 10 billion pounds a year of tire dust is releasing United States alone, a mile and a half above every highway that is polluting our bodies every time you breathe.  And it breaks dust and all these terrible low vibration technologies that are polluting our world and destroying it. Don't do that. Find a better way. There's levitation. We know about levitation, but we haven't personally been allowed to have any of that stuff. But even a flying saucer, which is very real, was invented in the 1950s by Victor Schauberger's technology and they had them, but they don't test that. No, no, no. We're not allowed to have that. So people have done it. When you spin something, it lifts off the ground. It has its own energy and it doesn't require wings to fly. So what we have is brutally old tech, but I would just write down, do it the best. Find the right way. Don't repeat these terrible things that are destroying the earth. And energy, by the way, is free. It's all over the place. It comes mainly from the sun.

Melanie Avalon

Brilliant. I love that last random question. Then we can go back to the health stuff. But why do you think now the government is acknowledging these UAPs and everything, like finally now?

Ian Clark

Well, I think there's an agenda around that. It's like there's a time to release. From what I've learned, there's a 300 year rolling program that is designed to get people to come under mind control and to believe that certain things are certain ways and UFOs and those kinds of things that people, unidentified flying objects, those are all human technologies. It's not some alien invasion or something like that, but they can produce because of the mind control.  They can produce an alien invasion if they want and make people believe that that's something there. It's always been around. It always will be around. I personally believe there are places of this Earth that we're not told about at all and only certain people have access to those places and they talk about going to Mars and all that. Are you kidding? You're going to go live on Mars? Go give that a try. That's ridiculous.  Earth is totally designed for human life and this is where we are. I believe the Earth is infinitely huge, infinitely huge. That's a pretty bold statement.

Melanie Avalon

Did you always think this way or did it relate at all to your health epiphanies?

Ian Clark

And getting into the health allowed my brain to work on a much different level and to question everything. Because when we I found out there were so many lies that I was told just in the health world and to believe those lies causes death and you see everybody believing it around you, everybody gets old and dies because they don't know how to take responsibility and manage their own body. You know, so there's evidence everywhere that we have to question everything and we don't just go with the status quo because that's mind control and you want to control your mind. You want to have your mind be thinking very critically in a common sense.  It's just even when they rolled out the whole COVID thing and you know we probably shouldn't even use the word because it gets flagged. But when that was rolled out I said are you guys joking? Every single day at that time there were 17,700 people dying every day from lower respiratory infections and lung disease not including cancer. Because heart disease is the biggest killer, cancer is the second biggest killer, but this is up on the list quite high. 164,000 people die every day average. That's only 0.77% of 1% is less than 1% of the population of the world dies every year. But it's still 164,000 a day you know and then they're all of a sudden we're supposed to be afraid of dying from some virus in the air. And if there was a virus that was contagious it would never stop. It would just keep getting more contagious until everybody had it and died if that was the case. So I didn't fear that at all. I said hold it. I call that the common cold or the flu and if your body's full of pollution you're going to die from that and yeah you're not going to be able to get oxygen to your body properly and you could die from that from hypoxia. So it just comes back to again common sense and mathematical certainty and they never put any of that stuff on the news. Not even once. They just tried to create panic. A pandemic panic.

Melanie Avalon

Yeah, I think one of the craziest things I saw during all of that scientific American had a article and they had a chart, I literally kept staring at this chart and I was like, Is this a joke? Is this this is not real. So it was a chart and it's it's it was like a chart of the flu. Compared to like the timeline of COVID and masking and it was saying that the flu had gone down to zero because we were all wearing masks. So we weren't getting the flu.  I was like, I don't think that's the reason there's no flu being reported. I think they're just attributing it to COVID. But crazy to see that black and white and I'm having a real time epiphany right now. I think similar to you because I've always been very curious and I've always been interested in these as you call them conspiracy realities. Is that what you called them? So they've always fascinated me, but I think it was entering the health sphere and seeing on a real life practical basis, just how like horrible the like the food is and everything and how it's told to us one way and how you actually can heal yourself with all these quote natural and lifestyle things. That's when I just really started not trusting as well in addition to my curiosity. So I hadn't really thought about how they go together, but they they do for sure.

Ian Clark

can they tell you to put a mask and rebreathe all the co2 that you're supposed to release and then you're supposed to breathe the air through a blue mask that is putting micro plastics in your body on volume.  And then you're covering your face in other words shut up cover your mouth shut up and do what you're told it's a total enslaving thing it takes your identity away.  You know they put a they put a hood over a person's head when they're going to execute them so they don't see the face when they're dying yeah it's a cover up now because we're killing you and the whole food industry is a complete massive conspiracy reality where they made the food very poisonous and then as you get poisoned and get ill now you get to take more poisons called pharmaceuticals to get well again.  It's a total racket it's a circular reasoning bracket that doesn't work now I personally was not able to wear a mask I was not an anti mask because I don't care what anybody does they do what they want to do.  I didn't say you shouldn't wear a mask is that if you want to wear a mask put 10 of them on I don't care but I couldn't wear one and when I would show up at a place where you couldn't go in without a mask.  I was not angry or or belligerent with people I just said well I can't wear one because I have a disability and my disability is that I can't intentionally harm myself and a mask will intentionally harm me and I've if there was a contagion if there was one which there is not I would want exposure to it immediately because that's what I'm the strongest.  But the true virus that was released was like a computer virus is a mental virus it went around the world at lightning speed in a month and everybody believed the lie based upon a mental virus this very real and then your anxiety hormones go up your fear hormones go up and you'll get sick you will actually get sick and that will convince you oh there is a virus out there oh my.  People were getting sick and dying in the hospital you know come on guys you know take a little bit more responsibility for yourself have a little more critical thinking more common sense please and then it just finally all went away and everything's okay now and nobody's wearing masks unless they feel like it you know you still see masks every day but.  It's okay again people do what they want I don't want to tell them what to do and I don't want to be told what to do either and but if you told me something to do that it was really important that made sense I'll do it because you've enlightened me but I'm not going around saying just tell me what to do and I'll do it you know that that's very harmful.

Melanie Avalon

Yeah, I'm the same way. I really like literally, I just want people to do what they want to do. Like I have no, I have no interest in convincing anybody of anything. And like you as well, I also don't want to be told what to do if it's against my, especially if it's against my well being.  Okay, yeah. And then oh, we talked about this, and since we're talking about viruses, when you interviewed me, what are your thoughts on verbal viruses?

Ian Clark

Well, verbal viruses are pervasive and they are very, very harmful because I learned that I had a life full of verbal viruses. And one of the biggest ones, and I did a little video that I can share with you afterwards on this subject matter, which is a short video, but I'll give you an example of a verbal virus.  We will say things like, you know, you go to a health event and there's a lot of people at the health event that are looking for health products, people that really, you know, want to take care of themselves, people that have an interest in helping others in the health space naturally. And I just used the word that as a terrible, terrible verbal virus because that is referring to an object. I could say correctly, a car that burns gas, a car that wears its tires out, a car that has an accident and has to go to the body shop. That's correct because a car is an object. A person is a person. And I would say people who love to be healthy, people who are here to serve. If I call you that, I've objectified you, I have not personified you. As soon as I say people who, I'm now identifying that person, that I'm personifying the person instead of objectifying them.

Melanie Avalon

I love these and I told you what mine was and I know I did mine. I know I did mine at least once during the show because I heard myself do it, but mine is a but like using the word, but after a phrase that you said, because then you just negated what you said prior.  I like to see when can I use the word and instead. And I know I use but once during the show at least, but there it is again.

Ian Clark

Yeah, we all still do it. I still see verbal viruses in my dialogue.  A real bad one is the word SO. So is another one. You know what I mean is another verbal virus. You know what I mean? In other words, if I tell you something, and then I say, you know what I mean? I'm actually subconsciously letting you know that I think you're not very bright. And you probably didn't catch what I was saying. You know what I mean? Or I just want you to understand. That's another one. You know, the word like, like, you know, that's a verbal virus.

Melanie Avalon

I'm bad with that one, for sure. I try.

Ian Clark

Oh, you're cleaning it up all the time. It's a practice.  And who you are is expressed from words. I only know you by what you're speaking about. I may recognize you physically for your body language, the way you appear, your persona that way, but I don't know you until we talk. So therefore, our language is required to be very clear, very concise, so that there's no guessing about what we're talking about. And I know you're tracking with me. I don't have to ask, does this make sense? You know, does this make sense? I say to people when they say that to me, I said, well, I, we're making dollars, not sense. Thank you. I don't, pennies aren't very worth it.

Melanie Avalon

Oh, man. I love that. Oh, we didn't talk about we didn't talk about the the activator. Is that what it's called the slapper?

Ian Clark

the activator and the Solaris. Solaris is a big one. So that we can talk about the activator. So the activator is a little tiny tool that lasts a lifetime and you hold, has a handle on it with a metal rod and has a tiny little hand on it that you use instead of your actual hand.  Now you can use your actual hand to do the treatment, but it takes much longer. It usually takes 10 minutes and you got to do three treatments to get the accomplishment. Where with the activator, you can do a five minute treatment. Now what it, what I found out was that classical Chinese medicine, this is the number one tool in classical Chinese medicine. Traditional Chinese medicine doesn't know anything about this. Traditional Chinese medicine is more like diagnosis with the tongue or the pulse or the eyes, and then a prescription of herbal medicines to remedy something. The classical Chinese medicine does not require any of those things. And when you take the hand and you slap one area of your body steadily for five minutes, all the carbon, all of the nanoparticulus that you breathe like rubber dust and break dust, all the dead blood and the dead cells that are sitting dormant in your body as you get older are released and they're visibly released.  There's no question because you can visibly see it. So for if you have a bad joint, you use the activator on the joint, like a knee, for example, you would do eight five minute treatments on one knee and a week later your knee is now repaired because the body repaired it. The activator doesn't repair anything. The activator releases all the stuff that blocks the healing and then it calls attention to the brain to send stem cells to that very specific area because you created a trauma site. And so I'm 66 years old in my 67th year and I had significant injuries in my life, shoulders and knees particularly. And it was a very bad situation. I was like, wow, I may have really good biological health, but if I don't have structural health, what am I going to do? Am I going to be a broken old man with terrible knees with pain constantly and I can't do squats and I can't run? That's where I was at. And with two, two knees with eight five minute treatments for each knee, I have perfect knees within a week.  That was almost seven years ago now. And I was blown away that that actually worked and I have perfectly youthful knees and all the cartilage is back where it's supposed to be. All of the joints work perfect. I can do deep squats. I can run around like a kid same as my shoulders. And then there's the whole organ system where you have major meridian energy pathways from the inside of your elbows and the back of your knees for your organs, the inside of the left elbow. When you slap that with the activator for five minutes, all this stuff comes out, it swells up and burns and turns different color. And that releases all your heart and your lungs, all the junk in your heart and your lungs starts to release on your right elbow, your liver, gallbladder, spleen and large intestine gets released and you feel 10,000 times better.

Ian Clark

The back of your knees is your pancreas and your kidneys and the top of your hands and the top of your feet are your stomach and your small intestine.  So these are profoundly effective.  But the problem is that it involves creating pain because you think if I'm going to slap my body, it's going to hurt and burn and bruise and swell up.  Yes, it will.  But then you go do it later and it doesn't hurt or burn or bruise or swell up at all because that part of your body is completely fixed for your life.  It's a one and done thing.  So I've been working through my whole entire body.  Every square inch of my body gets treated and until it's completely done, I'm about 70% finished.  It takes a long time to do it because you don't do it every day.  You could do it every day, but I haven't done it every single day, but varicose veins, all kinds of different things have improved dramatically from using the activator and my whole body got renovated in the last seven years.

Melanie Avalon

Wow, this actually, this really makes sense. I've had Christian Japoe on the show a few times. He's the founder of Stemrogen, which is a supplement to support endogenous stem cell release. He knows so much about stem cells.  His book is, it's the deepest dive into stem cells that you could ever read. He says that like when you're taking the supplement, something that you can do is if you have some sort of injury that you in particular wanted to address, you aggravate that area, very similar to what you're saying, because that signal tells the body to send stem cells to that area. So that completely makes sense. So that coupled with, I didn't know that about the, like the particulate matter that you're releasing as well. This is so interesting. Okay, I gotta start slapping myself. So cool. And then you said the other one, was it the Solaris that we didn't touch on?

Ian Clark

the Solaris. So that is a very profound detoxification product. It's super gentle. You don't get a Herxheimer healing reaction from it.  And it gently removes all the garbage out of your system that is interrupting the cellular function in your body. And it also works externally. It's made up of clove, rosemary, and thyme. That's the three major components in it. And it's extracting the entire plant, top to bottom. It's not just part of the plant. And it also has all the plant esters that are in there. So what it does, it goes in and dissolves heavy metals and microbial pathogenic stuff in your body to get rid of it. So your body just simply expels it after it converts it into inert matter. And it's always used after iodine. So when you take your iodine in an empty stomach, you wait 20 minutes and take the Solaris. And the Solaris goes in and helps to clean up the operation after the iodine released a whole bunch of stuff.  Because those things get trapped in your cells and the Solaris gets contact to those things. And we've had people with life-threatening lesions on their skin. I'm not going to give the name of it, but it will kill you. And you put it on there every day, two or three times a day, it's full strength. And within two weeks, it blows it up, dries it up, and then it peels off and doesn't even leave a scar.  So externally and internally, it works phenomenally well. You can also put it in distilled water, very diluted. You have to really dilute it, like five drops and 10 mils of water. And you just put drops in your eyes and people have claimed, I don't know, I don't have any clinical evidence of it. Just anecdotal that people got rid of their cataracts, for example, where they had different eye problems that they were able to alleviate.  And for dental, it's powerful for dental. When you switch it in your mouth for a couple of minutes, you don't get any more plaque. You get rid of the plaque that's there and it doesn't come back. It cleans up the tongue. It's just a phenomenal product.

Melanie Avalon

Okay. I have a personal question. It will relate to other people as well.  So if a person has just a random rash, which I know happens, I don't ever get rashes. And I've had one on my collarbone for a while out of all these different products, because you just mentioned with that one that you can, you know, use it on skin things. How would a person know, like, is there one that I would start with to put on that rash?

Ian Clark

When you start out with the Solaris and you rub it in, let it stay in. You could wait 15 minutes and then just wash it off if you want.  And it acts like a soap as well. You can wash your hands with it. You can brush your teeth with it. Yeah. It foams right up. It's beautiful. And then you would use black cumin seed oil on that rash as well. It'll just go away within, within a very short time. Sometimes people get rid of it in the day.

Melanie Avalon

Okay, I'm doing this. I have a list of everything I'm doing, which speaking of do you use all of these products every day? Do you rotate? Some of them do you not use? What's your personal routine?

Ian Clark

Well, so over the years, I've become so healthy that I don't require a daily use of the majority of them anymore. The ones that are absolutely essential every day is the ease magnesium, because that's the fuel and the iodine. Those are essential.  With the Solaris, I will do a 90-day sprint where I'll take it for 90 days and then I'll go off of it for a while. Because once you get the stuff out of your system, you don't need to keep doing that. And I have a lifestyle that is extremely high level that I've learned about over the years, but it's a very advanced thing. So I have now graduated to an area where I don't require all those things anymore. They help me all along the way. And there are certain things I just don't require because my body is completely cleaned up and it functions extremely well in every category.

Melanie Avalon

Awesome. Well, it definitely shows me talking to you and meeting you in person. You're definitely walking the walk. And I bet listeners are really eager to get these different products. So thank you so much for this.  Listeners can actually go to melanieavilon.com slash activation. A-C-T-I-V-A-T-I-O-N and use the coupon code melanieavilon and that will get you 20% off. So definitely take advantage of that. Definitely stock up. I know I'm like I said, I have a list of all the ones I'm going to be getting and these make amazing gifts for people. I'm always looking for like presents for people. So a lot of these products would be amazing for that. Wow. Thank you so much. This has been so, so incredible. Was there anything else you wanted to touch on to share with listeners?

Ian Clark

I think we covered a lot today and I was like to avoid overwhelm as well. So I think we've really covered enough. That's very satisfactory.

Melanie Avalon

I agree, which brings us to our last question, which you already know because you asked me what it is. It's just because I realize more and more each day the importance of mindset.  So what is something that you're grateful for?

Ian Clark

Well, the biggest thing I'm grateful for are people who are very interested in living a super healthy lifestyle. And they're, they're waking up more and more and more to take responsibility and accountability for themselves. And I'm just super grateful that that is increasing every single day, because we're all here to serve each other and love each other. And when we surround ourselves with people of like mindset, that our life improves and our quality of life goes up every single day.

Melanie Avalon

I cannot agree anymore and i am so grateful for what you're doing and like i said the beginning nobody else is doing this i mean everything that we talked about on the show. It's so mind blowing it so enlightening and these products like nobody nobody else is doing this so thank you so so much for your doing i appreciate it so incredibly much.  Listeners again go to Melanie Avalon comm slash activation use the coupon code Melanie Avalon for 20% off and do you have an email list or how can people best follow your work and all of the things and your and your podcast.

Ian Clark

Yeah, we do have we have daily emails of information that goes out all the time. And we have a podcast younger than yesterday that I were interview very important people I've interviewed Christian, he's such a fabulous guy. And he took me deep dive into how he understands that whole world. So there's all kinds of really good information.  Also on Instagram, there's a lot of free information there. This pertinent, which is Ian Clark activated on Instagram and TikTok as well just Ian activated on TikTok.

Melanie Avalon

Awesome. Well, we will put all that in the show notes. And again, thank you so much for your time and what you're doing. And I can't wait to hopefully see you again at a future event.

Ian Clark

Yes, we'll definitely run into each other again, Melanie. Thank you so much for all your time and energy and your love for people.

Melanie Avalon

You too. Thank you, Ian. Bye.

Ian Clark

Bye-bye.