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The Melanie Avalon Biohacking Podcast Episode #109 - Robert Slovak (Litewater)

International water scientist Robert Slovak is regarded as one of the world’s foremost water experts. Throughout his career in water, he has written hundreds of articles and presentations on water technology, water quality and consumer advice. He took his astronautical and mechanical engineering degrees and knowledge and with his brother Jack became early pioneers in Reverse Osmosis technology building a company that was later acquired by 3M.
In 2004, Robert introduced an obscure 1897 medical discovery known as Original Quinton Marine Plasma to the North American market, and it has been embraced by leading-edge clinics and health practitioners ever since. In 2010 Robert added his breakthrough called “Molecular Hydrogen” (H2) to the professional medical and consumer market.
Robert is a founding investor in Quicksilver Scientific, a global leader and innovator in nutraceuticals. Recently, Robert’s decades long interest in Deuterium Depleted Water (DDW) took a new direction forward with his co-founding of Litewater Scientific, dedicated to providing the most deuterium depleted water on Earth to the North American market and development of next generation deuterium depletion technology. He serves as the Chief Science Officer of Litewater and travels widely promoting his passions and educating doctors and laymen alike the principals of water and wellness.



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9:55 - robert's background

11:40 - reverse osmosis

13:30 - does rO water have contaminants?

14:20 - carbon filters for purifying

15:50 - what is deuterium?

19:05 - the types of hydrogen, light hydrogen, heavy hydrogen, Tritium

22:45 - we're made of stardust

25:30 - water came to earth

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27:55 - the heaviest element

28:40 - man made elements

29:30 - how much Hydrogen is deuterium vs protium 

32:10 - how was deuterium discovered?

34:30 - creating the nuclear reactor

36:15 - deuterium depletion

The Heavy Water War (English subtitled)

38:50 - the types of molecular structure of water; h2O, hDO, D2O

41:20 - deuterium changes how Bio organisms operate

42:30 - the change in levels over time

44:20 - pPM of Deuterium in the earth's water

46:15 - Deuterium's freezing temperature and human exposure

49:05 - why Haven't we evolved to handle it?

50:20 - drinking sea water

55:45 - How Does deuterium Effect Mitochondria?

59:00 - evaporation

1:00:00 - the usefulness of deuterium

1:02:50 - extraterrestrial Life

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1:06:50 - the russians pursuit of understanding of deuterium in biology, and the population of siberia

1:10:30 - analyzing the deuterium in water and saliva

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1:12:50 - melanie's test results

1:17:00 - mitochondrial reduction during aging

1:17:30 - the action of deuterium in the mitochondria

1:22:55 - Being in ketosis

1:24:50 - eating grass fed animals

1:25:30 - population adaptation to higher levels of Deuterium

1:26:50 - where does the deuterium go during depletion?

1:28:05 - metabolic water

1:31:35 - quantum tunneling 

1:32:50 - 'energy medicine'

1:33:15 - Structured water and alkaline water

1:36:25 - Alkalizing processes in the body

1:38:00 - alkalizing nature of fruit and veggie juices

1:40:00 - celery juice

1:40:25 - PRAL

1:42:30 - adding minerals for alkalinity

1:43:15 - how to chose a protocol, and managing the expense

1:46:40 - mixing and diluting deuterium depleted water

1:48:05 - the gut microbiome

1:58:50 - deuterium depleted water and cancer

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2:01:30 - the lack of discourse around deuterium depleted water

2:02:25 - how is it manufactured?

2:08:15 - EMF

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Melanie Avalon: Hi, friends. Welcome back to the show. I am so incredibly excited about the conversation that I'm about to have. It is a long time coming and I will tell listeners a little bit of the backstory here. I remember, it was probably two or three years ago on the Intermittent Fasting Podcast, we were interviewing the founders of Joovv red light therapy, and they mentioned something about how red light could affect our deuterium levels in the body. I remember being pretty shocked because I'd never heard this word ever. I had not heard this word. [giggles] I thought that I was steeped in this whole world, but this is new to me. It was like on the backburner, it's like in the back of my mind, and I was like, “I should research this a little bit the future,” and then fast forward, I was approached by a Mr. Robert Slovak, who cofounded a company called Litewater Scientific, which makes deuterium-depleted water. So, I was further interested in all of this, and I went and started looking at the research of what was going on here with deuterium, which don't worry, listeners, we will dive deep into what deuterium is. We were talking about this right before we started recording with Robert. It's really, really shocking the profound implications and effects of deuterium on our health, on our bodies, on so many things and how just nobody is talking about, it is really, really mind blowing.  

On top of that, Robert has been so kind. They actually let me do a deuterium depletion protocol myself. I actually for a few weeks just drank their water, which is depleted of deuterium, and I got to measure my levels in my body before and after. There is so much here to dive into, no pun intended. I am so excited. Robert, thank you so much for being here. 

Dr. Robert Slovak: My pleasure, Melanie. It's been fun so far behind the scenes. 

Melanie Avalon: I know it really has. I'm already-- I'm just smiling. For listeners, I'll tell them a little bit about you. You actually have an astronautical and mechanical engineering degrees, but that morphed into a water obsession, and you pioneered a lot of technologies, things with reverse osmosis, things with molecular hydrogen, which I think listeners have heard a little bit more about than deuterium. But in your own words, I'm dying to know, did you have an epiphany one day about water? What happened? What led to where you are right now? 

Dr. Robert Slovak: It was in the very early 70s that I was brought out to California from New York university to work on the Minuteman missile. This was at a giant military industrial complex, and it was one of the reasons I luckily didn't have to go into the Vietnam war, nor would they let me because of things that I knew. This occupation maybe only lasted for several years for me and my interest level. Just then, this new science of membrane separation which is the bigger picture of reverse osmosis, there's several variations of membrane separation, and I became fascinated with it, and my brother and I just became the duo of reverse osmosis. At that time from probably 1973 to 1990 almost, we taught much of the world about this technology. 

Melanie Avalon: Okay, it was the reverse osmosis that did it. This is a really naive question. Reverse osmosis in our cells?  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Oh, in everything. RO is the technology that applies to everything from desalinating the ocean, to make fresh water, to making 90 plus percent of the bottled water in the world, to making laboratory water, to making water to rinse cars off so there are no spots left on them. That was one of my creations. There are diverse applications, and you use RO to make water for people who are on hemodialysis. Probably, the funner things to do is, it's just a separation science. It separates anything from water. In reality, to make concentrated orange juice, they actually squeeze the fresh orange juice and they run it into one of these reverse osmosis systems, and it takes the water out, and you ended up with concentrated orange juice. Most juices are done that way. That way, you don't have to eat them. The membrane just separates the water out. So, the thing that you normally would keep which would be the purer water coming out is the thing you throw away, and then you keep the concentrated orange juice. It makes a lot of the world's waters. Especially in the Middle East, probably at least half of the water that's consumed in Israel is made by the-- I believe it's still the largest RO plant that desalinates water from the Mediterranean. They make the drinking water, and almost all the Arabian countries have reverse osmosis systems that take seawater and make their freshwater. 

Melanie Avalon: When you do reverse osmosis, the water that comes out, is it completely free of everything? 

Dr. Robert Slovak: Yes, and no, you can really dial it in as you wish. You can change the composition of the membrane, and change the pressure, and the flows, and so on and so on. It's a complicated answer, but you can make the water with reverse osmosis almost have undetectable health-related contaminants. Probably, it can remove, I'm going to guess, maybe hundred different contaminants, including pharmaceuticals, and pesticides, and glyphosate, and heavy metals, etc., etc. 

Melanie Avalon: A lot of people will use carbon filters on their faucets and stuff like that. Does that do a pretty good job of purifying?  

Dr. Robert Slovak: No. While carbon is a very important technology, activated carbon, and it's always used actually in conjunction with membrane separation such as reverse osmosis, it's also used in conjunction with distillation technology because there are a couple of molecules, especially volatile organic chemical molecules-- Let's say like benzene, something like if you had a gas spill somewhere and it got into the water supply. You might want to use reverse osmosis plus activated carbon because there's some molecular fractions that reverse osmosis is not efficient enough at removing. 

Melanie Avalon: I think the thing that's going to be very shocking for listeners is, we often focus on what we just talked about, purifying water from all of these contaminants. But your work now with deuterium depletion, there's something in water and-- well, we can talk about what type of water it's in, or where it's in, or what concentration, but there's something in water that the average human cannot extract from the water deuterium. So, what is deuterium?  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Well, because I'm such a fanatic for science teaching and education because it doesn't exist anymore, at least in our country, except that the higher levels of learning and then we're pretty good at it, I like to go back to something that may turn out not to be the way the universe was created. I'm open to that. But most scientists would agree because there was nothing else they could think of was that the Big Bang is what started with nothing and created the known universe. That Big Bang happened about 13.8 billion years ago now, give or take a couple days. In that Big Bang, within the first, I don't know picosecond, we actually had deuterium being made. I think it's a great way to start because people-- It's not so fringe. It was the beginning.  

The first two things they believe that the Big Bang created was proton and a neutron. The proton and neutron exist in the nucleus that has electrons orbiting around it in all, except one, all of the elements of the periodic table. I love teaching people about the elements of the periodic table because they just didn't get the right discussion of it. Everything in the universe is made out of these 92 elements of the periodic table. I think most people can recall the periodic table, may be more of your audience can. But people when I speak to audiences, they're pretty like, “Wow. So, that's what it's all about.” These 92 things make up every physical thing in the universe. It started with these two particles called proton and neutron, and then somehow, in the next few picoseconds, electrons were created, and then the electrons got attracted to the proton, and the first element was created, which was hydrogen. That's just one proton and one electron, the simplest element.  

Melanie Avalon: What's the one that doesn't have protons or neutrons? You said there was--  

Dr. Robert Slovak: That's it. No, no, there's nothing that doesn't have-- You have to have a proton. You have to have a proton and you have to have an electron to be an element of what God created as the periodic table. That's it. That's the simplest. But then, that simple proton and electron captured-- This all happened in the blink of an eye that proton and electron, not all of them, but some of them captured that neutron that was roving around. And that is deuterium. 

Melanie Avalon: Why do you think it capped at 92? Why is there not more than 92 options? 

Dr. Robert Slovak: We have now a proton with an electron going around it. That's the simplest element in the universe called hydrogen. We call it light hydrogen only because of what I'm about to say is that same atom, also some of them captured a neutron and held it, and that's heavier hydrogen. Then, we're not going to ever mention this again, there is yet another capture that took place where the proton, neutron, and electron captured another neutron, and that's called tritium.  

Melanie Avalon: That's the bomb type? 

Dr. Robert Slovak: Nope, nope, nope, nope. It's not the bomb type, but it is radioactive. It's the only hydrogen that is radioactive, and there's not very much on the planet, and it gets created in reactors sometimes, and if you explode an atomic bomb, you may get some, blah, blah, blah. But we don't talk about it. I don't know, you're definitely too young to remember that tritium which is radioactive was used to put on watch faces to excite phosphors that glow in the dark, and then you could see your watch dial in the dark using tritium. That would last for 13.2 years. 

Melanie Avalon: I think I remember reading about this, a radioactive glow-in-the-dark substance. It was probably that, right? 

Dr. Robert Slovak: Oh, yeah. Oh, there's quite a few. Consider that a useless piece of information. [laughs]  

Melanie Avalon: Step away from the glow in the dark.  

Dr. Robert Slovak: There's three kinds of hydrogen. There's the simple light hydrogen, there's the heavier hydrogen that captured a neutron, and then we're never going to mention tritium again. We're not even going to tell you what it is again, because it gets too complicated. But here's the takeaway that I want to shock you and your audience with. In the current known universe, 74% of the mass of the entire known universe is still hydrogen. Then you go, “Well, what's the rest of it?” Well, that hydrogen actually started to do some combining among its atoms, and it made helium, the second lightest element. 24% of the known mass of the universe is helium. So, the universe didn't get very far from the original Big Bang almost 14 billion years ago. That's the kind of stuff that amazes me. 

That leaves, 74 plus 24 is 98, and that means all the other elements are just 2%. Meaning, all of the planets that you were-- You know, there are planets in our solar system. All of those and then the trillions of more planets that we don't know much about, all of those are made mostly from those other 2%, and that just goes to show you how much hydrogen is in the universe. It is like the beginning and end of everything. The hydrogen is the basis of life, hydrogen is the basis of energy, of light. It's quite an extraordinary story. Those other heavier elements didn't get made until the hydrogen spread throughout the universe, and in some places, it gravitationally stuck together, and started to get denser and form stars, all kinds of stars. Those stars just kept growing and growing and growing, and got denser and denser and denser, and they got hotter and hotter and hotter, and in that condition of dense and hot, they started to form the other 92 elements.  

Melanie Avalon: In stars?  

Dr. Robert Slovak: In stars. And then, what happened? Those stars eventually exploded, and they threw all those new elements throughout the universe, and over [chuckles] 13 billion years, all those whatever 90 elements got thrown, and they started to combine and make space dust, space rocks, and even make water in space, and that's what started to form solar systems, planets, asteroids, comets, meteorites, and that's how it proceeded. 

Melanie Avalon: It's like that quote that says, “We're made of stardust,” literally. 

Dr. Robert Slovak: We kind of are made of stardust. It's a dramatic story. Then, the earth didn't start to form until about 5 billion years ago. This is one of my favorite chapters of science. Then, the earth just formed from space rock, space dust, all that stuff, and it gravitationally started to assemble itself into a ball, and there's all kinds of theories about that. And it was hot, and the heavier elements like iron, nickel, and metals, they tended to sink toward the center, like you'd guess, and that's why we have an iron-nickel core in the earth that generates the magnetic field. Very important for life and many other aspects of protecting Earth from cosmic rays. 

And then, water came on to Earth at some point, maybe, 4.5 billion years ago, and water was delivered in some event that geophysicists call the late heavy bombardment. It was water brought in the form of ice from comets. It's not the only source of water. Some water was magically made in deep within the earth from other processes, but some people say it's still there or a lot of it's still there. But what we know as the oceans today was probably brought by this continuous bombardment by comets which have a lot of ice as part of them. Not long after Earth was pretty much covered with water, then life began within a couple hundred million years life started. That is where I get really excited.  

Melanie Avalon: What's the heaviest element?  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Well, the heaviest element is the last one. It has the most protons and neutrons, and that's uranium. The natural, these are natural. These are the ones God made. We can fabricate synthetic elements just because we like doing research, and so we can make heavier elements. From the 92, I'm not sure where it's at, but we're at over 106 elements that may only exist because the heavier you get, the more unstable you become as an element. So, some of them just exist for a few microseconds. 

Melanie Avalon: The question earlier about the 92, after 92, they can't maintain existence naturally? 

Dr. Robert Slovak: Right. Even the 92, uranium is radioactive. It has a half-life, and itself has isotopes. It has several forms of uranium. But they have half-lives because as they give off radioactivity, they're literally losing mass. So, when you hear that term, "What's the half-life of uranium?", and frankly, I don't remember what it is. [chuckles] But half of it disappears and goes off into space as a particle somewhere.  

Melanie Avalon: Okay, gotcha.  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Hoo. I'm just going, wow. It amazes me when I even talk about it.  

Melanie Avalon: The 74% of the universe that is hydrogen, what percent of that is deuterium versus protium like normal hydrogen?  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Well, that one is a little hard to say, and we're probably going to have to restrict it to planet earth. There's probably some estimates, but it's probably not even an important number. That deuterium, like hydrogen, likes combining with many things. But the thing it likes combining with the most is oxygen. Hydrogen plus oxygen equals water, and deuterium plus oxygen equals water. So, both of them, both of those forms of hydrogen, light hydrogen and heavy hydrogen, both combined with oxygen to make water molecules. Now, the question, and this is probably going to shock you, is that of all the water molecules on earth, and it varies a little bit where the water is, but it's in all water, deuterium and light hydrogen. So, we're going to call it light hydrogen and heavy hydrogen. It's in all water on Earth, whether it's sea water, mountain water, Dasani water, mountain valley water, water from Colorado, it just doesn't matter. It all has both light hydrogen and heavy hydrogen combined with oxygen as some of the water molecules.  

Now, the key is, and I think this is going to shock you, that 99.9-- a little more than this, but 99.9% of the water molecules only have light hydrogen, 99.9. Maybe, that can be a clue as to why it was ignored so long. Everybody goes, “You mean 99.9% of the water in this glass is just regular H2O? No deuterium in it?” "That's right, sir." Well, who the heck cares? It's too little to even pay attention to. So, they didn't pay attention to it. It was discovered-- The fact that deuterium even existed was not known until 1931.  

Melanie Avalon: How was it discovered? 

Dr. Robert Slovak: Through classic research by examining and all the nuclear research tools, and looking at how atoms are formed in their inner nucleus structure. They said, “You know what? Energy wise, it looks like there should be another hydrogen here,” because helium so readily captured protons and neutrons in the nice little bundle, why wouldn't it have just done it with one hydrogen and one neutron? It would have to go through that. In fact, it did. They just couldn't find it in the easy research way. Then, it was discovered in 1931, but the excitement was about making or obtaining more deuterium than getting rid of it like we're interested today. In fact, it was one of the greatest excitements in the whole history of science.  

The reason why is because remember, you were talking 1931. This is where all the brainiacs were. This was the beginning of quantum theory and quantum mechanics. So, you had Einstein, Heisenberg, all the gurus of science, and atoms, and light, all existing at the same time. They had so much fun. They were all in the most prestigious places. It was a clear to them that if we could get enough of this deuterium water, meaning heavier water, and I haven't told you how heavy, but that's very important. If we could get enough of this hydrogen water, this heavy water that contains deuterium for the hydrogen, we can make something that they dreamed a long time ago called a nuclear reactor, which at the time was thought, we don't have to worry about making electricity anymore. This thing will just keep making it for 200 years. They weren't right about that, because it became too much of a hazard and things like Chernobyl and so on didn't prove to be a viable approach to making energy in that way. They did make the nuclear reactor that was Werner Heisenberg in Germany, and it was a big competition between Germany and the United States.  

But Heisenberg also realized, “Guys, if I can make a reactor," and remember now, we're in the late 30s. He said, “I can also make an atomic bomb.” Everybody goes, “What the heck is that?” Then a few of the guys knew and I think he said at some dinner with Hitler, “If you can get me enough heavy water, I can make a bomb the size of a pineapple that can destroy London,” which was Hitler's dream. Then everybody, it was a race to making heavy water. They wanted the heavy water. Remember, I said that 99.99% of water existing from almost any source at the time was light water. Are you following me?  

Melanie Avalon: Mm-hmm. 

Dr. Robert Slovak: So, there's hardly any heavy water. You might ask me, “Well, Robert, what are you trying to deplete it for? It's already depleted.” I'm going to tell you, it just isn't depleted enough and this is part of going down the rabbit hole. There's a lot of illogical things, when you are really deep in the science of deuterium, and how we manage it to make our lives better. It's deep. It's profound. It's the most profound thing I know in health science and maybe even the best-informed people, maybe realize 10% of it already. 

Melanie Avalon: What is happening with that tiny point 1%?  

Dr. Robert Slovak: They found a way to extract that heavy water, the deuterium, the stuff we don't want. Because we've been talking deuterium depletion, they want deuterium enhancement. So, they made factories to concentrate the deuterium. The first country I think to do it on a big scale for research purposes was Norway. Well, as soon as Heisenberg realized that and I hope I'm not getting into this too much but it's an important historic fact. As soon as Heisenberg and Hitler realized that there was a company in Norway that made concentrated deuterium-heavy water, he said, “Go, take it over,” and they did. Then, the race was on to make water that's concentrated in deuterium, because then you could make reactors and atomic bombs. America won the race. America produced the atomic bomb. The rest you know. 

Melanie Avalon: Wow. So, deuterium was a major factor in all of that. 

Dr. Robert Slovak: It was the factor. In fact, in fact, in fact, if you want to sit down with your loved one [chuckles] to watch a fascinating film on Netflix, watch The Heavy. I promise your audience is going to be thrilled with this if they like adventure, like James Bond stuff. But this is real James Bond. The Heavy Water War. It's a magnificent cinema-graphic production that hardly anybody ever heard of but it is too cool. 

Melanie Avalon: Well, for listeners, we'll put a link in the show notes to that. I'm excited now to watch that.  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Yeah, you'll call me after it's up. I think. 

Melanie Avalon: I will. [giggles] So, going back to 99.9% of water is light hydrogen.  

Dr. Robert Slovak: No, not light hydrogen but light water made with light hydrogen.  

Melanie Avalon: There's two hydrogen molecules in water, doesn't matter if one of those hydrogens is light hydrogen versus deuterium? 

Dr. Robert Slovak: Yes, and most of the heavy water really just has one hydrogen that has an extra neutron or is heavy hydrogen, and the other is regular hydrogen. Usually, people assign the letter 'H' for regular light hydrogen, and the letter 'D' for heavy hydrogen, which is deuterium. So, the three molecules that can be created from the two forms have hydrogen and oxygen, and there's a bunch of forms of oxygen, but I'm not going there. So, there's H2O, something we always thought was that's it, that's what water is. It's just not true. When I first realized it many years ago, I'm going, “Oh, my God. There's three water molecules in every glass.” Three kinds of water molecules. So, H2O, the predominant one. And then, there's HDO, a regular light hydrogen, a heavy hydrogen, deuterium, and oxygen, and then there is a very, very, very, very, very, very tiny amount of D2O, deuterium oxide, which is two, both of the hydrogen are deuterium. Not common, maybe, 1 in 40 some million molecules is D2O.  

The point is, there's hardly any heavy water, and that's why they spent so many years and so much money to get it. You wonder why-- biologically what you and I are talking about, we're going, “No wonder why they missed it. There is already hardly any heavy hydrogen and heavy water existing in the first place." But this is how elusive the deuterium story is. Because what you see is not what you get. Deuterium ends up at this very minute amount, changing everything about how all biological organisms operate, probably from the beginning of the first life on Earth say, 3.8 billion years ago. It's like nobody really knows how much deuterium, and this is a big contention among observers of this science like “How did the deuterium get on earth?” Everything from, well, it was just part of the big mixture that came on Earth, other people will say that one of the planets between Earth and Mars blew up, and it left a bunch of deuterium that ended up mixing with Earth's oxygen atmosphere to form deuterium-heavy water. There's all kinds of theories and no one really knows. 

Melanie Avalon: Just looking at the history of our planet, do we know the concentrations of deuterium, how that has changed? 

Dr. Robert Slovak: Vaguely, and it changes more with climate and ice ages that we can see, because we really can't go back much more than 100 million years, which is not a lot. Then, we know that 20,000 years ago, because deuterium molecule, heavy water freezes at a higher temperature, like 34 degrees, we know that when the ice age came, it froze the deuterium first and kept it out of the scene of water. So, we think that 20,000 years ago, maybe instead of there being-- well, let's come back to this because I need to put some numbers to this for your audience. This is important. 

I said that roughly 99.99% of the water on the planet is light water, H2O. The remaining difference, 0.03%, is heavy water. So, if you ask me, “Robert, can you put that in another number besides present?” Here's where I'm going, just gathering my thoughts. "Can you put that in another thing?” Well, we're going to elevate our science class a little bit, and we're going to put this in a number, I'd say most of your guests have heard of or in a form called parts per million. Parts per million is how many parts of this stuff is in a million parts of this stuff. You can almost all nutrients are done. How much zinc is in this bottled water? Well, 10 parts per million. 10 parts of zinc by weight per million parts of water by weight. That's common. Every nutrient is listed as that.  

We're going to say that, instead of using the 99.99% versus the  of heavy water, we're going to say, in the Earth's water, there's about 150 parts per million of deuterium in the water supplies on earth, 150 parts per million. Now, it varies a little bit with where it is, and it can vary mostly because of meteorological differences, the freezing and thawing cycles. Because deuterium freezes at a higher temperature, that if it gets really cold, the environment will freeze the deuterium or heavy water and hold it from you. It'll just keep it in snow and ice. This can exist for 10,000 years. The ice ages, for instance, if it were an ice age, this can go for 10,000 years. So, for those 10,000 years, those people got less deuterium, and they think that in the last ice age, maybe instead of being 150 parts per million, maybe the water was 130 parts per million, and that may not impress you, but that's part of this mystery of deuterium. 

Melanie Avalon: It freezes at just a slightly different temperature than--  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Higher. Yes.  

Melanie Avalon: If it's only that small of a difference with freezing, how does that keep it from you? Wouldn't all the water be freezing? 

Dr. Robert Slovak: Let's say, it just hit 30-- Because the temperature on earth is very uneven because of the direction of the sun and hundred other factors. But if it just hit 34 degrees, only the deuterium would be immobilized as snow. Not many people live where there's snow to eat it compared to people who live in the rest of the planet. 

Melanie Avalon: Yeah. If you're in an environment where it's reaching 34 degrees, but if it was reaching 32 degrees, would there not be any difference? 

Dr. Robert Slovak: Yeah, both would be frozen. Then, if you melted the ice and snow, you would get both of them back again. But because we're looking at cycles that are so long, it could-- think of this. It could stay at just as the temperature was decreasing, and things in planetary nature happen so slowly, “Oh, it could stay at 34 degrees for 1,000 years.” Are you with me?  

Melanie Avalon: Yeah, I am. Now, I am.  

Dr. Robert Slovak: It really involves-- I told you these rabbit holes are very deep. [laughs]  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Okay, I got it. I was envisioning the weather changing daily. But it's like an age. [giggles]   

Dr. Robert Slovak: This is tough stuff. It really is to sort through. Now, I said roughly between 10,000 and 20,000 years, you probably had maybe 130 parts per million water out there. But 100,000 years ago, it was probably more like 120. I know you're probably still not impressed. 120 parts per million, all that, we went through all this phrasing and stuff, and you only knocked me down from 150 to 120? Yeah, that's all. But when you get into metabolism and mitochondria, you're going to realize this is such a big number. Now, this is only 100,000 years ago. Life started 3.8 billion years ago. Nobody knows. Nobody knows what the deuterium was then. There's probably good reason to think that it was very low in early evolution but we really don't know. 

Melanie Avalon: Why do we not evolve to utilize this deuterium? The question before that would be, how is it affecting our mitochondria? And then, the second question would be--  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Brilliant question. Some possible answers. There just was no deuterium to try to take care of at the beginning or it was so little. But we do know modern life does have deuterium-depleting mechanisms, both plant and animal. They're locked into the process of photosynthesis. They're locked into the mitochondrial electron transport chain and Krebs cycle. So, there were attempts, I guess you could-- they're successful. There is definite evidence that life needed to get rid of high levels of deuterium. Before that-- this is going to throw you a little bit, before that, perhaps when the levels were low, life said, like it did to all the elements-- Remember, I'm the big guy that you need to drink seawater, because it's what you evolved in. That's what people know about Robert Slovak. He told you to drink seawater. So, I'm a big believer in that your body design needs to have a continuous-- your body cells need to have what it evolved in because it's spent so much time there, and it adapted, and use perfectly the entire periodic table of the elements, which is in the solution called seawater. It's the only solution of the entire periodic table in the known universe. 

Melanie Avalon: That is such a cool fact. I did not know that.  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Really? You know what? I don't believe I had for the last 16 years that I've taught this, when I asked a group of the highest educated doctors and so on, I'm going, “Hey, tell me what the ocean is?” People go, “Well, it's got 80% sodium in it, and this--” and they give me all these answers. I'm going, “Nope, you're all wrong. You all missed the boat.” The ocean is the only aqueous solution of the entire periodic table. Each of those elements is in precise proportions for the last 3.8 billion years. The ocean did more to determine your design and your function than any other single influence.  

Melanie Avalon: Am I getting that water when I eat fish?  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Not really, because the fish has combined it with fresh water and changed all the proportions and so on. So, it's very different. But best-known product that's much older-- not even much older, maybe 124-year-old seawater called Quinton Marine Plasma. Do you know that one?  

Melanie Avalon: I don't.  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Seriously? Well, then that will become the most important-- Seriously, if I were just looking you in the eyes, I'd put my hands on your shoulder, I'd look in your eyes, and I'd say this is going to be the single most important thing I will ever tell you about health science, that nothing is more important that you have nothing is more foundational to incorporate in your input to your body than the balanced proportions of the periodic table found in the properly obtained seawater. This product was discovered or the whole idea of this was discovered by René Quinton. It looks like Quinton if you're speaking in English, but he was French, a revolutionary biologist, a student of Darwin. He was with all the heavyweights and he created and discovered that our body fluids are simply a very close relative of seawater and explained why. 

Melanie Avalon: Oh, and they sell it at-- Because I saw your founding-- are you invested in--Quicksilver Scientific, do they sell this? 

Dr. Robert Slovak: Yes. Several years ago, I discovered-- It’s a famous story. Many people in the health industry know, I was doing water research in Brazil for quite a while, and I got discombobulated health-wise in a remote area and became very sick. I thought I wouldn't make it until I don't know if he was an apostle or just a cabinetmaker that he was. But he brought me these six glass ampules of seawater and I'm going, “What the heck is this?” I had bacterial gastroenteritis, and while I was looking for a helicopter to get me out of there, he was going, “You ain’t getting a helicopter, and this you have to try first.” I did, and it cured me in one day, and that changed my career.  

Melanie Avalon: Wow, do you take it now, daily?  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Daily. I've taken it for-- It's an incredibly successful product in the world. It's sold from China to you name, every Asian country, every European country, most Middle East countries. Probably, the most difficult place to sell it in is in South America, where they have such hostile rules for any other medicine other than what they make but that's how it is. But these people smuggled it in and gave me these ampuls. So, I speak around the world on this for almost 20 years now. 

Melanie Avalon: I am so excited. I'm going to start this ASAP. 

Dr. Robert Slovak: Well, we're going to have a conversation about it. I'm going to send you information and I just want you to know that seawater contains deuterium too.  

Melanie Avalon: Oh, man, okay.  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Don't worry about it. You only take 10 milliliters, so it doesn't even matter. Okay, are we back tracking mitochondria?  

Melanie Avalon: Yes. So, mitochondria, how does deuterium affect our mitochondria? 

Dr. Robert Slovak: Remember, I grew up in the era of free radicals and antioxidants as the hip, cool thing on the health scene. That's what everybody was talking about. Pre-radicals cause damage, and chronic disease, and they do. We need to have antioxidants, and we've got to get glutathione and various other phytochemicals, absolutely all correct. But we missed, because science just wasn't ready. We missed the every only all. We miss the core of everything. You can't go any lower than this. Maybe, there's an exception that I'll mention, but you can't go any lower than the mitochondria because they do the single most important thing in the body, and that is to supply the energy in the form of ATP, a chemical that just goes out through the body and provides the right jolt of energy to virtually every process. There is no process that escapes the need of ATP.  

This is such an incredible discovery, and it is going to run medicine for probably the rest of our lives, and there's going to be great resistance from the pharmaceutical companies. It's going to vindicate all the early guys like Otto Warburg, who really told us how cancer worked, but he was shoved off in the corner. It's going to run the shell of health science. There's nothing more important, but also nothing more challenging than to deplete the body-- Remember, it's not about water. It's not about getting water depleted in deuterium, it's about getting your endogenous deuterium in your body depleted. That's the goal. One of the aids to doing that is deuterium-depleted water and we take--  

Let's go back to the 150 parts per million of deuterium in water on Earth roughly. If we went to the Himalayas, maybe there'd be places that would be 135. If we went to a place in in Siberia in the mountains where people live an uncanny number of years and have no chronic disease, it would be 130. That's probably the limit of the low point of deuterium in natural water on Earth. But there is one exception. Do you know what that one is? What is the crazy exception of low deuterium level on the planet? 

Melanie Avalon: It's not high altitude?  

Dr. Robert Slovak: It is not.  

Melanie Avalon: Is it somewhere where there's a lot of evaporation like a desert or something? 

Dr. Robert Slovak: Nope.  

Melanie Avalon: I don't know. 

Dr. Robert Slovak: Evaporation, I'm glad you brought it up. See, evaporation would encourage the lighter molecule to go away and concentrate the heavier one. That's how they actually make the water. 

Melanie Avalon: So, is it the other way around? Is it somewhere where there's the opposite of a desert? 

Dr. Robert Slovak: Yes, yes, yes, where the water is frozen. It's called Antarctica.  

Melanie Avalon: Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah.  

Dr. Robert Slovak: It's a crazy number called the Antarctic standard, 89 parts per million. That's very low. Because deuterium came on somewhere within evolution, if you recall, I said, probably, when the levels of deuterium were low, evolution said, “Oh," that's how I got into seawater. I said, you know what? Your body figured out a way to use virtually every element in the periodic table including deuterium. So, it is actually known that deuterium early in life, perhaps in fetal development, has a couple of useful functions. It's not important to eliminate all deuterium from water. It's just a waste. If you had water contaminated with uranium, if you were to ask me, “Robert, how much uranium do I need to remove?” I would say, “100%. Melanie.” Period. But deuterium isn't that way.  

Deuterium, you can use a small amount. It's more or less thing you do, and we're going to discuss that, what's the practical way to do it? In Antarctic, it's 89 parts per million, and you know, many people in this business that we're in, just realize, is these 89 parts per million when you realize what the deuterium depletion is all about? Is this why Antarctic is the most difficult place to get to, and be allowed to get to in the world? I don't know. It's a reigning question we all have.  

Melanie Avalon: You mean like politically?  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Politically, militarily. I don't know how much you've ventured into the arcane whatever developments of science, and military, and all that stuff but there's a lot of spooky things that are reported about and spooky people that go to Antarctica. I, for one believe that there's something to this, deuterium connection and the difficulty of navigating and going to Antarctic. 

Melanie Avalon: If you could bottle and sell Antarctic water, would that be a thing? 

Dr. Robert Slovak: That would be a thing, Melanie. If your father happens to be in the shipping business, and your grandfather is a five-star general, call me immediately after this is over. [laughs]  

Melanie Avalon: Oh, my goodness. [laughs] Well, listeners, if anybody fits that criteria--  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Well, if we want to be weird for a minute, this is weird. I think maybe some of your people will appreciate this. I happen to be a believer in extraterrestrial life. Not big deal, but yes. It seems logical to me because of things I've seen, things people have reported, etc., etc. The two most famous contactees in history, who've written the most, explain the most are Edgar Billy Meier, an eighth grade educated farmer in Switzerland, and you also can go on Netflix and probably see three or four, one of which is superb, three or four documentaries on his 50 years of being a contactee. This guy's written amazing stuff about the universe that scientists on earth don't know. But anyway, so, Edgar Billy Meier was one in 1975 and Edgar Billy Meier writes in his one of his treatises, I mean me he writes voluminously for an eighth grader. That's for sure. He writes a chapter in his book, and he asks his Pleiadian contactee. He said in the book, "I asked my Pleiadian contactee how long she lives? And she said, 'My race, my Pleiadian specific race and there are several races can live up to about 1000 of your years.' That's nice." He said, “How old are you?” She said, “I'm 300 years old.” He says, “How come we can't-- Why don't humans enjoy this a lifespan?" And she just comes out with this. This was a big hit for me. She said, "There are two reasons. One, you have a defective magnetic field on Earth," which we do, well known scientifically. She said, "You have a contaminant in all water on earth called deuterium."  

Melanie Avalon: Oh, my goodness. I was going to ask you is deuterium, the cause of aging?  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Well, yeah. To them, that is it. Now 20 years later in 1995, the second perhaps most famous contactee. Wes Bateman, almost the opposite of Edgar Billy Meier, university graduate, mathematician, a scientist, physicist, writer of five books, a highly classically educated guy, he is a contactee too. He simply asked on chapter 18 of his book, can't remember what the book is, but right offhand, but his name is Wes Bateman. I think he died not too long ago. Wes Bateman just asked, “Hey, well, how come we don't live as long as you people?" They said, "One reason. You have water on your planet that contains the most toxic substance known deuterium." I almost fell off my chair. 


Melanie Avalon: Both of these people wrote this and the first guy was an eighth grader and he wrote that? 


Dr. Robert Slovak: Well, he wasn't an eighth grader. He was a farmer in Switzerland. So, I'm going to guess 40s or 50s then, and a very smart guy. Swiss have great educations even if to the eighth grade. But the point is, he wasn't a sophisticated man in terms of university training, the sciences. I'm guessing he certainly never heard the word 'deuterium', not in 1975. Hardly anybody would have known that with deuterium is in 1975, much less a farmer from Switzerland. So, it's interesting.  

Those are some of the things that have made a little more drama to the whole deuterium thing. It was after the whole atom bomb, World War II was over, only the Russians pursued aggressively the understanding of the role of deuterium in biology. They pretty much kept it this is that booklet. I believe I sent you a digital copy, and this finding was based upon two gerontologists who went to see people, and they couldn't figure out why there were so many centenarians in this group of people, and they spent 10 years, they analyzed food, and religion, and family life, and the whole thing. They just said, “These people aren't living any better than anybody else. Why did they have so many more people who live way beyond hundred?” Then somebody said, "Did you look at the isotope logs of the water they're consuming?" They go like, “What? Let's see what the isotopes of hydrogen that make up the water are," and they had not 150 but they had 130 parts per million. 

So, I'm going to give you and your audience another input. 150 parts per million comes out to about six drops of deuterium heavy water in every liter of water. Six drops. Not a lot. That's that point, whatever. 0.03%. Six drops. So, those people had like four drops, and yet, they got that water from birth till death and that was the key. They kept a big chunk of deuterium. Remember, deuterium, it's not like a linear thing. Maybe, there's no effect if there's hundred ppm, a little effect if there's 130, and then you just make a big jump that it's just got enough power in it to kill off your mitochondria at 150. So, they had 130. It was in the mother's breast milk, it was in the yak butter, it was in the broccoli they grew, the cabbage that, that, that, that. They didn't even have a clue what it was all about. They just knew that they could have babies very late in life, and that they lived a long time, and they didn't get very sick.  

Melanie Avalon: This was Siberia?  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Siberia. Siberian mountains. The researchers were from Tomsk University, who did this?  

Melanie Avalon: Why that one location was the water--?  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Great question. It's because when they measured the water, they got this 130. So, the question is, and here's why, meteorological effects are just right so that the in the glacier forming that occurred in the mountains, above whatever the place they lived was held, and it held back those 20 parts per million of deuterium from the water that slowly dripped down from the glacial streams, etc., etc. That's it. Wow is right.  

Melanie Avalon: It's like the fountain of youth. 

Dr. Robert Slovak: Well, it is. It's just begun, and it is a little scary, because it's so hard to get and make. When I went for training, we have a very unique deuterium analyzer that-- To analyze the deuterium in water and in saliva, which we do for our customers, because that's the only way to know if you're getting your money's worth in your habit of using deuterium water. If you're doing the right thing by adapting some of the other strategies like ketogenic diet, fasting, red light therapy, the other things you have mentioned, the only way to confirm, “Hey, I'm doing the right thing, because I'm putting a lot of energy into this," is to test really your saliva.” 

Melanie Avalon: Speaking to that, so, I have my test results in front of me right now. I first tested in February of 2021, and I was 150.18. 

Dr. Robert Slovak: Isn't that great? Now, let's discuss why you were 150. You weren't 150 because 99% of the molecules in your body are water. You've heard that one. Two-thirds of your body weight is water. Even though, most of the molecules are water, others are heavier than water. The biggest contribution to your weight is water, and all the things you eat, all that water, whether it's in a bottle of water or in the salad you're eating, all of that was irrigated with 150. Your bottled water is 150. And so, you're 150. 

Melanie Avalon: Actually, that's something I was going to ask you about. I eat an exuberant amount of fruit, like a lot of fruit.  

Dr. Robert Slovak: What's your favorite fruit?  

Melanie Avalon: Blueberries.  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Mine, too, and that's mine.  

Melanie Avalon: I do intermittent fasting, and then when I'm eating, I like to do either high carb-low fat or low carb-high fat. It's always high protein, but I'm usually on that low fat-high carb train, and it's usually a lot of fruit, which I was reading about. 

Dr. Robert Slovak: Oh, that's interesting. I can say is that you were at this median position. I was 150 also, when I first tested. You were able to maintain 150, because you balanced off the extra deuterium that you were getting from fruit and high carb. How did grains fit in there?  

Melanie Avalon: Oh, I don't eat grains. The carbs are just from fruit. 

Dr. Robert Slovak: Okay, that's good. Grains have a lot of deuterium in it. Whatever deuterium would have raised you be on the water, deuterium, you balanced off with your other keto things, perhaps your red light therapy, perhaps your fasting, those things balanced it off, and you just happened to come out at 150. Where our laboratory is for measuring deuterium is in Colorado, and of all things, the tap water there happens to be 137. That's a very big deal. There ain't many places that get you down that far on the planet. So, it's 137 and we've tested all the people that work there, and they're 137. Isn’t that interesting? 

Melanie Avalon: Oh, my goodness. And then, I drink the Litewater for however many weeks, it was a few weeks, and I retested in April, right at the beginning of April and my deuterium was down to 127. 

Dr. Robert Slovak: That's amazing that you came down that far. Really.  

Melanie Avalon: Really? Is it normally a little bit-- 

Dr. Robert Slovak: No, I would say, I'm shocked with what you just explained to me as your diet, and for I'm not even for whatever less than three weeks, that is remarkable. For your age called young, that's a great place to be, because and you were actually taking it straight. You were drinking five parts per million. The lowest that's made in the world. So, maybe it's not as unusual as I'm thinking. Let's say, you had a not such a fruit and carb high diet, I don't think you would have made it had we said, “Oh, drink 125 ppm by mixing.” By mixing with whatever bottle water or something, which is what we do. Your mitochondria is really the typical human, increases in the numbers of mitochondria up until about 25 years old, more or less five years here, whatever. Then, it's pretty much an unstoppable straight-line curve or straight-line period down to the time you die. You just cannot stop this process, unless you deplete your deuterium.  

Now, how does that happen? Why? Here's why. Here's the main reason why. The main reason why is that the mitochondria structure takes in burnable, oxidizable molecules of sugars and fats to extract the protons, which are used in a complex thing called the electron transport chain, which ends up driving-- This is even weirder than the seawater. It ends up driving a little tiny protein-made motor. Actually, a rotor. And this rotor, when I first heard this, I thought, “Okay.” I looked around the room at my colleagues like, “Okay, who's pulling this gag on me?” Because it was said that this rotor spins at 9000 RPM, like a rotor in a Porsche Turbo. I'm sure some of your audience knows what a Porsche Turbo is, but it spins at about 9000 RPM. That's flying. This little, almost submicroscopic rotor made of amino acids is spinning and it performs the function of indexing hydrogen protons, the nucleus of a hydrogen atom. It ends up indexing them, which actually drive the rotor itself, and they go through this process called the ADP ATP synthase. That's what squirts out a continuous supply of ATP.  

But as that rotor is indexing quick, like crazy speed, is indexing the hydrogen protons, it wasn't until fairly recently that somebody said, “Wait, all those protons can't just be alone because all water in the body has some deuterium in it.” Meaning, it's not just a proton, but it's a proton and a neutron stuck together. Are you following me?  

Melanie Avalon: Mm-hmm. 

Dr. Robert Slovak: In other words, it's deuterium. Now, it sheds its electron. So, it's just the nucleus. The nucleus of a regular water molecule is just a proton. But the nucleus of deuterium water molecule is a proton and a neutron. Well, when the proton and the neutron get into that rotor, spinning at 9000 RPM, it eventually obliterates it, and there goes the mitochondria, and there goes your extended lifespan, and there goes the energy that you should have when you're 85, and there goes-- It's all related to that. 

And not only that, but all that energy isn't just making you active, and fast, and so on. It's all that energy that's supposed to be made by the mitochondria, which just got killed off by the deuterium nucleus. You have spared the energy for all the other functions in the body from protein folding to every movement in the cell, the transport across the cell membrane, everything is driven by ATP energy, everything. Blinking your eyes couldn't happen without ATP. So, everything suffers. DNA transcription, everything. There is nothing, and that's the only thing-- I think I wrote in my first slide, it's the thing that runs everything. I can't remember what my first slide said, but it's the basis of everything in the body and how it operates, and it will be years before it's fully realized. Oh, I think I said the game changer of everything.  

Melanie Avalon: I was trying to remember. I remember reading that. 

Dr. Robert Slovak: Yeah, yeah, the game changer of everything, and I truly believe that it is. It's almost scary to have realize this because it wasn't at all my thought going into the science of deuterium depletion, which by the way is now called deupletion, thanks to the famous László Boros, super brilliant researcher and doctor on the subject. So, anything you read by his will be eye opening and Excellent. There's so much to this that I never realized there's 30 rabbit holes, and they're deeper than any rabbit holes I've ever traveled down. 

Melanie Avalon: Does the keto diet or being in ketosis use that same rotor system? 

Dr. Robert Slovak: Yes, it does. But you are now getting in a keto diet much less deuterium. Because the keto diet which is favoring fats. Fats simply-- and this is one of the big reasons, the fats simply contain less deuterium big time. So, where your fruit contains maybe 155 parts per million of deuterium and I think coconut water is close to 160, and mangoes are right up there too.  

Melanie Avalon: Is tropical fruit higher?  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Yes.  

Melanie Avalon: So, when I'm doing my pineapple runs-- 

Dr. Robert Slovak: Well, I think it's like where it's grown. I'm not sure. If you're nearer the equator, the water is more rich in deuterium. So, tropical fruits contain more. But fats, the lowest thing you might call food-- your fruits are say 155, 160, grains the same. If you were using lard for a fat, this is the extreme. It's like 110. That's a big difference.  

Melanie Avalon: So, do you think people on carnivore diets are experiencing a lot of benefits?  

Dr. Robert Slovak: If the meat they're on is originated in grasses, which is the first step in nature's deuterium depletion for plants-- Like I said, here comes another rabbit hole. Plants were one of the first things to learn to get rid of deuterium. So, plants typically send the deuterium like a-- Let's say, like spinach, I guess. Maybe celery. It'll send the deuterium down to the root of the celery and the leaves will be lower in deuterium, and grass is the same way. If you get grass-fed animals, then you are looking at having lower deuterium edible stuff and a little goes a long way. 

Melanie Avalon: Do you think people who are from the tropics or that type of population are more adapted to the higher deuterium levels? 

Dr. Robert Slovak: That is a magnificent question and this brings up the whole epigenetic, over time, what happened, how did they adjust, etc. I think there's just too scant information to come to some conclusion on that. The Russians almost did everything. They hid this from the world for quite some time. In my travels to Russia, I have heard that when they discovered what this was able to do in the late 60s that they thought that if they could make enough deuterium-depleted water, and they probably couldn't then, they thought that they would make, I won't say a super race, but a better-performing healthier population, especially what they are interested in and they may do it now because it's not difficult to give your athletes deuterium-depleted water. It's one of the great I think enhancements for physical and athletic performance big time. 

Melanie Avalon: The actual depletion process, where's the deuterium go?  

Dr. Robert Slovak: You're just taking in water with a little deuterium. The water you were drinking, instead of being five drops or six drops, it was less than one drop. You put less than one drop water, whatever half a liter into a body that is mixing with six drop water, your body was 150 parts per million. it's just going to make maybe four drop water, and then you're going to excrete through all of the ways we excrete. Breathe out, sweat, urinate, defecate, you're going to just start releasing water that you normally release and you're going to preferentially start taking out the deuterium and replacing it with the low deuterium water. That's how it works. It's eminently simple and silly. That's it. You're just diluting your body. 

Melanie Avalon: When our bodies create metabolic water, is that automatically deuterium depleted?  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Only if your diet is able to supply enough non-deuterium nuclei called deuterons to the electron transport chain, and you don't keep wrecking the nanomotors which keep eliminating the mitochondria. To get it, now when you make ATP, you also make water but that water cannot be produced from a deuteron or deuterium water nuclei, because it's going to be just sucked into making the water. So, you have to be you really have to be on the ketogenic diet for you to take full advantage of your body producing, meaning, your mitochondria to produce metabolic water. This is something that that Dr. László Boros is an expert on. He really sounds the praises of this special edition of ketogenesis to making the mitochondria function in the ultimate way to keep your deuterium low throughout your body. Because that metabolic water is just recirculated into the bloodstream, comes back again, you process it, the hemoglobin delivers oxygen to the mitochondria, it's just the best-- the best bang for the buck is adding keto genic diet to deuterium-depletion. In time, you can use less deuterium-depleted water. I would say, you can probably with just ketogenesis, if you're perfect, if you do everything right, I'd say you could alone get down to the 130, 135. Now, for you, that's good enough but as you get older or already older people like me, that's not enough. For me, I would want to be at 100 which I am at, at this point. 

Melanie Avalon: My slight issue might be that my version of the keto diet, when I do it, there's an exuberant amount of cucumbers. I feel that might be a lot of deuterium. 

Dr. Robert Slovak: I think cucumbers are-- Realize this. It really all has to do with what is used to irrigate the cucumber. We could move you to Siberia, and then ask them to grow cucumbers for you, and you would have lower deuterium cucumbers, then it wouldn't be a problem. But I don't think cucumbers are anything excessive in deuterium. It's probably whatever the irrigation water is because they're-- whatever, I don't know what they are. 85% water. So, it's going to reflect the water that they take in. 

Melanie Avalon: Another thing, I would love for you to touch on in the stuff that you sent me a few days ago was the tunneling and the inability of deuterium to tunnel? 

Dr. Robert Slovak: Okay, I think that's a little bit of above the pay grade, because it's a quantum effect. Okay? 

Melanie Avalon: Yeah. What is it in a sentence then?  

Dr. Robert Slovak: When I said that I believe that mitochondria and energy production and ATP will answer most things about biology and physiology as in terms of how to optimize it, there is still one more dimension, which is the quantum dimension, in which there is quantum synchronization, the bonding forces, etc., and these quantum effects that really have not come into play. The weight of the bonding forces with deuterium, because of its extra mass will interfere with quantum tunneling.  

Melanie Avalon: That is crazy. 

Dr. Robert Slovak: Yes. The whole movement of health science into the energetic area realm, if you will, is the next thing on the list. It's just the beginning. I think energy medicine is going to be the one final blow to Big Pharma. 

Melanie Avalon: I just got Somavedic device, and it says that it can structure water. Do you have thoughts on structured water? 

Dr. Robert Slovak: Oh, yes. I don't see the word, structured water. I always leap into the conversation and I tell people, there's 100, maybe 1000, maybe 10,000 kinds of structured water. I believe it's more of a commercial thing that when we live in a time, in which we make buzzwords up and people who don't have time to investigate it or don't have the ability to investigate it, they just latch on to things and people make money off of them. A perfect example is alkaline water. No one even understood what it meant. It's totally meaningless but it became a buzzword even to this day for 10, 15 years. I tell people, it doesn't matter what the pH of water is. It does matter what the alkalizing ability of water, but that business of alkaline water confused it to the point that it made it absurd. The pH simply doesn't tell the story. They wanted the consumer to believe that the pH, and this made sense to consumers, the pH if it's high, it's going to neutralize metabolic acids in your body, which are a big problem and lead to hundred different diseases. Inflammation, arthritis, and so on, and so on. But the pH doesn't really tell that story. The pH has little to do with its ability to neutralize metabolic acid. 

They lied for all these years. I was one of the guys who every time I spoke, people would ask me and I would tell this story about alkaline water, how it really is just no more than a fad. Now, it doesn't mean that alkalizing water isn’t good. In other words, if you took water and you wanted to make it alkalizing to the body, and you put something simple like baking soda in it, it would be much more alkalizing than if you drank pH 10 water from your machine. 

Melanie Avalon: Do you recommend people drink baking soda in their water? 

Dr. Robert Slovak: Only if they have verified that their body and their diet are making their body fluids, attacks on their system to maintain their body's fluid pH. That's important. The water pH that you drink isn't important, but let's say, if you're a big meat eater, your body will struggle because meat produces acidic load in your body fluids, and then your body goes, “Okay, how do I get rid of this?” Maybe one-third of the acid that foods make in your body are, you exhale in the form of carbon dioxide. The rest of the acids are neutralized by the minerals in the food you eat. That's why it's good to have a lot of plant, because meat doesn't have a lot of minerals. It's mostly fat and proteins which are acid making. The rest is taken care of by-- well, there's exhalation and the minerals, and the beverages you drink.  

One of the things is that, I always ask doctors to make my point. Here, I ask, "What are some of the ways that you guys would--" If you had a patient that had whose saliva and urine consistently tested acidic. Let's say it was 5 or something. They did it the right way, and there's great books on how to measure your saliva and urine pH, and what it means and so on. I tell them, "If you had this, how would you tell them to do it?" Many would say, “Well, I would give them maybe some mineral powders in water and have them drink it regularly until they brought that down.” I said, “Great.” "I’d have a much more plant-containing diet." I said, "That's great." Some would say, “Hey, the great results with plant juices, the traditional green juice, because it's very rich in minerals." Then I say, "How many of what the pH of all plant juices are?" They go, “Oh, well, it's obviously-- I don't know." They would say 8 or 9 or 10. I'm going, “You forgot what I told you.” The pH has nothing to do with the ability to reduce acid. It's only the alkalinity that does. The alkalinity is produced by mineral compounds in the food, or the water, or the plant juice. So, all of these alkalizing green juices, all of them have a pH, that's acidic, less than 7. And it blows their mind. It is proof that there's not a connection between the pH of the fluid and its ability to neutralize acid. It's just the wrong chemistry. 

Melanie Avalon: So, the minerals from the plant don't go into the juice? 

Dr. Robert Slovak: Oh, no. They do go into the juice. But the juice is acidic.  

Melanie Avalon: Oh, okay. I see.  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Yeah, and the minerals are there. The minerals don't care what the pH is. In fact, the pH is what keeps the low pH of the fluid juice, actually, what keeps the minerals in solution. Because minerals are dissolved by acidic solutions. So, when you take that in, your body doesn't care what the pH is. All it cares is, “Are there minerals in there? Oh, my God, there's a lot of minerals in the plant juices.” And that's it. 

Melanie Avalon: That acidity, is that what is happening with the whole celery juice thing for digestion? 

Dr. Robert Slovak: Well, I think celery juice has-- I can't remember. It does have a few compounds in it that are special and I can't remember what they are, but certainly, celery juice has a lot of minerals in it compared to just regular water. There is something I direct people to better understand this. Usually, when I'm speaking with doctors, have you ever heard of the term ‘PRAL"? It's an acronym, P-R-A-L?  

Melanie Avalon: Oh, it's my favorite thing to look at. I love looking at PRAL charts.  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Very good. Oh, man. You're the first person who's ever heard of PRAL. That's great.  

Melanie Avalon: The other night, I went down such a rabbit hole. I was trying to find the potential renal acid load of casein versus whey. I couldn't find any sources. I found people writing about it.  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Oh, there's a lot of charts. You have to really search for-- I don't know if there is an ultimate chart. 

Melanie Avalon: There's this one chart, it's published, and it's very, very large. It's my favorite. I'll send it to you.  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Please, please, please.  

Melanie Avalon: And it's like actual testing. But then there's all these charts online, and I'm like, “Where are they getting this information from?” 

Dr. Robert Slovak: This is what's done in Department of Agriculture's and research centers, and someone who painstakingly calculate the potential renal acid loads.  

Melanie Avalon: It's one of my obsessions.  

Dr. Robert Slovak: I know. There are some interesting things in there that surprised me. The alkalizing effect of raisins and few other high sugar things. It's what a clinical nutritionist usually uses to balance somebody's diet. But I think it's really important not to put your body or somebody to put their body through constant acidification, and I know the fast food does it. I have friends, the only thing they can order if they go out is a steak. It's just insane, but they do. They don't realize that they're going to risk osteoporosis and so many other things from overacidification and the body literally struggles to maintain that pH of your body fluids in the 7.4 range. 

Melanie Avalon: I was getting excited, because like I said, I do eat a high-animal protein diet. I have recently been making my own cottage cheese. That's why I was trying to figure out between the whey and the casein, the PRAL score. 

Dr. Robert Slovak: Well, why don't you mix in-- We even make one at water and wellness, it's a very nice mineral powder that includes sodium, magnesium, potassium. There's five companies that make these kinds of powders, and to mix those powders in your cottage cheese. 

Melanie Avalon: That's a great idea. I'm going to do that. I'm so excited. Oh, my goodness. Going back to the deuterium depletion, I did the depletion and then I tested again. When I tested at the beginning of April, it was 127, and then I wasn't drinking the Litewater anymore. Then, when I tested again at the beginning of June, I was 151. So, I was back to what I was before.  

Dr. Robert Slovak: It goes fast, doesn't it?  

Melanie Avalon: Yeah. So, the difference between the potential benefits of an acute depletion period compared to not doing an actual acute depletion, but mixing and just taking it unless over a longer period of time, is there-- between those two options. If listeners are wanting to get the water, what would be the best way for them to do it for the longest potential effect, if they can't afford to drink it for the rest of their life?  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Age is a big factor, like when you can start. If one cannot endure the expense and you're certainly less than 30, it's like-- If you're managing your diet and maybe do some fasting, some earthing, some red-light therapy, if you do those things, I wouldn't even waste my money on deuterium-depleted water if I was less than 30. It was a tax on my budget. I wouldn't do it. But as soon as something happens and I might invest in just seeing where my diet led my deuterium level, especially, if I was doing a pretty serious ketogenic diet, because that should drive it down. If your ketogenic diet is correct, I would say, you should be comfortably below 140. You're doing the other things. You're doing intermittent fasting, you’re doing red light, if you do those things even a little bit, I think you should be-- you need to modify it if you're not at 140. With no water, you're not drinking deuterium-depleted water.  

And that's also assuming you don't need this super energy. If you tell me, “Oh, yeah, I'm doing Iron Man. I'm doing cross-country runs,” then I would say you should definitely take some deuterium-depleted water to the point you get down below 130. If you're young, you're a performer, and you have a limited budget, I think you should go to 130. If you did 130, the water, 130 is one to six dilution, and even at the list price, it's $2.86 a liter. Are you following me?  

Melanie Avalon: Mm-hmm. 

Dr. Robert Slovak: Really, it's definitely-- 130 ppm, a 127 ppm, that's less than going to Starbucks every day. 

Melanie Avalon: To clarify, this would be ordering the deuterium-depleted water and mixing it with your water to reach that level.  

Dr. Robert Slovak: To reach that one-- Let's say, we just chose 130. That would be mixing 1 liter of the deuterium-depleted water, which is 10 parts per million, with 6 liters of your favorite water. It kind of doesn't matter where it's from, but your favorite water, and that makes 7 liters of 130 ppm. I'm just looking at my chart, it's $2.86.  

Melanie Avalon: Okay, I'm sold. I'm doing this.  

Dr. Robert Slovak: No, no, really. You can’t beat it. 

Melanie Avalon: I know. Because I hadn't thought about it and the practicality or actually mixing it and doing this sustainably. 

Dr. Robert Slovak: There's nothing wrong with doing it the more casual way kind of you did it instinctively and it is reported that so many animals, and even microorganism and bacteria-- it's reported. I've never done this research, but it's reported that they know when a water supply is-- They will choose a water supply that is lower in deuterium. Through evolution, they have learned how to detect deuterium differences in water.  

Melanie Avalon: How might this affect our gut microbiome?  

Dr. Robert Slovak: The gut microbiome will tie up the deuterium from going elsewhere in your body and that's good. What's potentially bad, and we're talking about a very new area about this microbiome thing and I'm not sure the conclusions include the viome, the viral microbiome, that the concentration of deuterium-- we didn't mention the kinetic isotope effect. The kinetic isotope effect, it might be just a good way to establish it. The kinetic isotope effect is a term that simply applies to the different chemical activity of the isotopes of a given element, like the differences between regular light hydrogen and heavy hydrogen in the body. This is what an isotope means. Any of the isotopes within an element, so hydrogen has three, and oxygen has, I think, four, carbon has more. Every element has different amount of isotopes. Many have the same equivalent, but it's fairly complex, but fairly straightforward.  

Hydrogen has three isotopes. The rule of isotopes and why they call them isotopes is because in chemical reactions in or outside of the body, these isotopes can fill in for one another, and you have no control over it. So, if you are 150 as opposed to, say, me at 100, more of the critical places that hydrogen is-- and hydrogen is so abundant in the body. I don't know, but by molecule, I think you're in the 64% hydrogen. So, it's massive. Deuterium can replace any hydrogen at any time. The only way to stop-- So, what if it does? You just asked me about the microbiome. So, let's say, the deuterium goes in the microbiome, and the microbiome epigenetically is geared to holding onto that microbiome, or to integrating with it and being captured by it, that in microorganisms, the hydrogen easily replaces the regular hydrogen in there, that hydrogen that is captured in the microbiome will stimulate the growth of that bacteria just like deuterium stimulates the growth of cancer. 

Melanie Avalon: Is it agnostic to the gram negative or gram positive? So, if you had a good microbiome, will you grow more of a good microbiome with deuterium, but if you had a bad microbiome grow more of a bad microbiome? 

Dr. Robert Slovak: Yes, you would grow anything with deuterium. I'm not sure of the best strategy. This is very new territory. There's not a lot of research in the microbiome effects of deuterium. Now, that the viome, the viral microbiome has stolen the show, and that it's even more perhaps influential over the body's chemistry, and so on, it's hard to come to some hard, fast conclusions about this. I would say that there is little doubt that getting rid of deuterium in the body is pretty much positive all around except, and I think people just stay away from this because they don't know, except in the fetal development of a child in the mother's womb, just because we don't know.  

Melanie Avalon: Would a mother's breast milk reflect the level of her deuterium levels?  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Absolutely. Look how I think, I would say there is enough epidemiological evidence that anything 130 parts per million and up, so many children have been born in it, fetal development, everything. So, if the mother drank, say, 130 during pregnancy, I do not believe anyone would object in any way. There's no evidence. You just wouldn't want her to go on to get down to 60 ppm or something radical. That's it.  

Melanie Avalon: Really quick question. I'm just looking over at my hydroponic plant system. I'm growing cucumbers in my apartment. It's very exciting.  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Good. You like cucumbers?  

Melanie Avalon: I do and I love the cucumber plant. It's growing its way up my windows. It's crazy.  

Dr. Robert Slovak: That is fantastic. I'm jealous. Is it just regular cu--? Are you growing them in potted soil or something? 

Melanie Avalon: I got an AeroGarden. Have you heard of this?  

Dr. Robert Slovak: I have.  

Melanie Avalon: I'm obsessed. I am obsessed. I'll send you a picture.  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Please. No, I want to know how to buy it. 

Melanie Avalon: Yeah, I'll send you the link. They have small little units that you can keep on your-- you can grow herbs and stuff. I got some of those. But I also got their massive, the farm XL unit. It's about 5 feet tall and I'm growing cucumbers. They're just growing, but I have it by the window. So, they're actually growing their way up the blinds. It's crazy.  

Dr. Robert Slovak: But what are they growing in?  

Melanie Avalon: It's a hydroponic system. 

Dr. Robert Slovak: Really? 

Melanie Avalon: Mm-hmm. You just water it.  

Dr. Robert Slovak: What's the nutrient?  

Melanie Avalon: There's just plant food that they make. It's so great. It monitors everything. So, it tells you when to add more plant food, it tells you when to add more water, it runs a pump, it turns the lights on and off at the right time. It has glow lights. I'm obsessed. The only thing is I have to the cucumbers are not self-pollinating, so, I have to pollinate them with this.  

Dr. Robert Slovak: How? How? 

Melanie Avalon: I have this little pollinator. It looks like a toothbrush with a little bee on it. I go and I touch all the flowers, [laughs] it's so exciting. I'll send you a picture.  

Dr. Robert Slovak: I like that. There's only one thing it's missing, seawater. I'm going to tell you that you cannot go wrong putting a small amount of seawater in the hydroponic solution. I'm happy too if you shot me a picture of the solution, like powder or whatever it is. Is it like a powder?  

Melanie Avalon: It's a liquid.  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Okay. I'm sure it must have the formula on there, how much -- If you shot me that, I will render an opinion.  

Melanie Avalon: Oh, thank you.  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Do you know the guy-- you need to look up this guy. Have you ever heard of Professor August Dunning?  

Melanie Avalon: No.  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Okay. Get the name down without question. August Dunning is a Caltech professor. I'm not sure he's still at Caltech, but he is extremely famous, and one of the designers of the International Space Station. He is an astrophysicist, kind of like me but not quite. He is a lot smarter than me too. Anyway, he had an epiphany because he's very brilliant and he said, “Hey, I know how to design an international space station, but there's something way more wrong and it's the food grown on this planet.” So, he wrote and did a series of lectures, and podcasts, and slide presentation called The Habitat Crisis. You must watch it.  

Melanie Avalon: I will. I just wrote it down.  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Yeah, The Habitat Crisis. He explains that what is missing is the full complement of the ocean's periodic table. 

Melanie Avalon: So, plants, they benefit from deuterium? 

Dr. Robert Slovak: Absolutely. When the earth through evolution, remember, the earth was completely covered with water, and then there were geophysical upheavals and volcanoes that brought the continents to bear. For many, many, many, many, many millions of years, that Earth, that land, that rose above the oceans was soaked in seawater. That's why the ancient soils and so on produce such abundant produce and plant life. Anyway, August Dunning actually went on to make a company. I think actually, it's in The Habitat Crisis to make a company that has at harvests seawater and sells it to commercial farmers, and he's trying to revolutionize farming in the world. 

Melanie Avalon: I'm excited. I'm going to start feeding my cucumber seawater. Not deuterium-depleted water. Seawater. 

Dr. Robert Slovak: When we win the lottery, we can start using the deuterium-depleted grow solution.  

Melanie Avalon: Except not, right? Because they need deuterium?  

Dr. Robert Slovak: No, no, no, no. I don't think there's any benefit to a growing plant to-- It could be because all plants have a mechanism to react to deuterium. I've never seen anything that if you don't give it to them, they react adversely. But it's a good question anyway. But I think your cucumbers will survive, precious as they are. 

Melanie Avalon: I'm excited. I can't wait to send you a picture. Something that I want to just mention for listeners is, we've been talking about all of this, but there's actually been a lot of studies, because you sent me them, on patients with cancer and all of these different issues, and it seems like in the studies, they just basically have them drink deuterium-depleted water, and the effects are very impressive. In the show notes, we can put links to any published studies that are out there so listeners can check it out. 

Dr. Robert Slovak: It's something that has the serious-- especially, under today's censorship, it's never been so, so bad in terms of the controls being exercised by companies who are doing something outside of the box. It's going to get probably much worse. I think we have to be even way more careful of infringing upon Big Pharma. Oh, we have to be careful about that subject, but I think you saw in those two booklets how serious this object is already, and I can only tell you without specifically saying it, it is remarkable what we have experienced. 

Melanie Avalon: So, for listeners, again, there will be a full transcript in the show notes and also, I’ll put links to all the literature that you can further look there. Also, super grateful because you have a special offer for my audience if they would like to purchase their own Litewater. So, you have two versions.  

Dr. Robert Slovak: 5 ppm and 10 ppm.  

Melanie Avalon: And I was drinking the 5 ppm. But you can get that at melanieavalon.com/litewater. So, that's spelled L-I-T-E-W-A-T-E-R, and then the coupon code, MELANIEAVALON, will get you $20 off your order. So, thank you so much. I really, really appreciate that. The show notes for this episode will be at melanieavalon.com/water. Just water. Oh, my goodness. 

Dr. Robert Slovak: Every day some new more daring things than you and I are allowed to express and discuss on your show, there's some heavy discoveries being made about the benefits of deuterium depletion, and I believe it's going to change all sports and introduce man to what life was like as early man, and I think it's going to be dramatic. 

Melanie Avalon: What's mind blowing to me, so many things, but I read so many books about longevity and aging, and I interview so many people, and nobody talks about this. It is never as mentioned. 

Dr. Robert Slovak: Would you say that the price and unavailability is the bigger factor, why it's not shunned, it's just like, "Well, look, this is going to cost you the price of a small car payment per month." If you're an aging adult, that is what you have to do to deplete deuterium. If your category, you’re young age, then you really can go into something that's quite economical like, maybe I'll only go to Starbucks once a day, instead of twice a day. It's pretty much in that realm when you dilute a lot.  

Melanie Avalon: That's something we actually didn't even discuss was how you actually manufacture it.  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Well, you want to know?  

Melanie Avalon: Yes. Is it like distillation with alcohol?  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Okay, first of all, I don't use-- When you started out, I did want to-- I forgot about clarifying it. There is no deuterium-depleted water made in North America. All of the deuterium-depleted water that's made in the world is either made in Russia, Hungary, or Romania. There are maybe reports of water being made by a nondescript company in China. It is very a typical plant that practically could make enough to make a business out of this. Perhaps, would cost $30 to $50 million. At the same time, you will see there are things even on YouTube that if you freeze water-- this is back to our freezing discussion. If you freeze water in a big pot thing and keep taking off the ice as a little layer freezes, if you do that 10 or 15 times, which would take you entire month, that you could reduce the deuterium maybe by 10 points, from 150 to 140. I just say, if you try it, I will be proud of you for doing a scientific experiment but you will never do it again a second time.  

Melanie Avalon: I do a lot of crazy things and I don't think [giggles] I'm going to do that. 

Dr. Robert Slovak: Our water, Litewater, scientific spelled L-I-T-E-W-A-T-E-R is made in the most advanced plant in the world, which is in Russia, in the middle of Russia, four hours by train from Moscow. It's continually growing to keep up with the demand. They keep on adding buildings. The way it's made is water from a nearby artesian well, and it doesn't matter what water you start with, but it's nice it's an artesian well. It doesn't matter. Technically, you could start with sewage water, and it would come out the same. But the water is run through multistage purification, simply to prepare it for the process. That happens to include reverse osmosis. So, that's the first stage. But reverse osmosis doesn't remove any deuterium. It just removes the things that might hurt a water heater called in the commercial world, a boiler. So, it removes the minerals that would scale a boiler and all that stuff.  

Then, it's introduced into this boiler, and the boiler slowly heats the water, and sends the vapor up through three stories high pipe, maybe a foot in diameter. Inside this pipe is really the secret. The secret is a very technical, technical, technical metallurgical, let’s say, media, that interferes with surface bonding, surface tension to get the water to separate. You're trying to get the lighter molecules of light water separated and go up higher than the heavy water. What happens is, it finally does just this, and it gets to the top, and then you condense that vapor, and then you've reduced the deuterium as we do by between 94% and 97%. That's the most that's done in the world, because it's the most sophisticated of the systems. So, there is only enough water we estimate made in the world of deuterium-depleted water for about 40,000 people.  

One day, when I was at a conference, Dr. Mercola came up behind me and said, and I used to run his water circle thing. He said, “Robert, why are you getting into this water, deuterium water thing?” At that time, there was only enough for 30,000 people. He was trying to give me the laugh. He says, “This is not enough water to make a business out of.” [laughs] It’s kind of true. But it's just what some crazy scientists like me do to see where it's all going, because I'm even surprised. I'm elated by what I've learned that I didn't know in the beginning about the health effects of deuterium depletion. I believe it was meant to be. We weren't exposed to this for most of mankind's and other life evolution and we're just stuck with it now and no one but the ETs realize what a serious contaminant it is. [laughs]  

Melanie Avalon: I had Dr. Mercola on the show as well. For listeners, I'll put a link in the show notes to that. It was all about EMFs.  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Oh, I just praise him for the work he's done in EMF. I was looking for my anti-EMF shirt to wear even though no one was going to see it. I was going to wear it in your behalf tonight. But to be honest with you, I'm very ticked off about this, because you don't even have to do anything else. If this EMF persists in the direction it will, you won't have to do anything to eliminate humanity. It will just naturally happen. 

I know and when I travel, I am so saddened by the fact that people are simply in love with their cell phone communication experience. They crave it, they love it. How do you break that? How do you break that fondness for a technology that's more than anything I've ever seen? But it is so dangerous, if people knew what I knew. It is so dangerous and I can't even imagine somebody being like 10 with a cell phone. It's like what I know, especially, if 5G when it's fully installed, he won't make it to 25 in a normal state. It will be impossible to do so. It's very serious. The man who invented wireless communication in the late 1800s, Heinrich Hertz, where we named hertz after, 60 hertz or whatever. Heinrich Hertz, who was probably the first man to be exposed to EMF 24 hours a day, because he was enchanted with the science, he died at 36 years old. So, you know the connection to Dr. Mercola, discuss the connection between EMF and viral infections, or did he not go there? 

Melanie Avalon: I don't think we went super deep. I get nervous about being censored if we go too deep. 

Dr. Robert Slovak: Yeah, I understand. Did you ever read any of Tom Cowan's work who deals with it?  

Dr. Robert Slovak: I have not.  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Okay. Think about the book called Contagion where he goes into it. That's all. 

Melanie Avalon: I’d love to. Thank you.  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Anything else, my new friend?  

Melanie Avalon: I know. I could talk to you for 20 more hours. [laughs] It's just fantastic. Oh, my goodness. I'll ask you, is there anything you wanted to touch on? Like I said, there's so many more things, but--  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Nothing that wouldn't censor you.  

Melanie Avalon: Okay. [laughs] Okay.  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Oh, I think if I say anything, I am very-- Maybe in some future time, we can do a special mineral and trace element show in which we really get into it. It is so foundational, and so many people who are deep into the business do not have a clue about minerals and trace elements of which the latter meaning trace elements are simply no longer in the food supply. Check out good old August Dunning and see what he says and see if you like that subject. 

Melanie Avalon: I will. I have so many notes. Oh, my goodness. Well, again, I'm going to repeat. The links for listeners if they missed it. The show notes, melanieavalon.com/water, there will be links to everything, there'll be a full transcript, and then if you'd like to get your own Litewater, your own deuterium-depleted water, you can go to melanieavalon.com/litewater. That spelled L-I-T-E-W-A-T-E-R and the coupon code, MELANIEAVALON, will get you $20 off. Oh, I just thought of one more really quick question. 

Dr. Robert Slovak: Yeah. Keep going, girl. Let's stretch it out 20 hours.  

Melanie Avalon: When people drink hydrogen water, could that hydrogen be deuterium heavy?  

Dr. Robert Slovak: It's not deuterium heavy, but remember-- let's say, you were to use a tablet. You know a hydrogen tablet? A tablet which I ended up creating in 2010, the hydrogen is not in the tablet at all. It has nothing to do with hydrogen. The hydrogen simply comes from the water it reacts with. That means that if you were to just use regular water, you're going to get the same dose you would by drinking the glass of water of deuterium. Some of the deuterium, for the little that's in there, remember, we decided the big surprise was there's hardly any heavy water in the water to begin with. It's just that there's enough to create such a problem in our physiologies. That's the weird part about deuterium. So, if you were to use deuterium-depleted water with your hydrogen tablet or deuterium-depleted water with your hydrogen device, your inhalation device, or your little hydrogen infusion device that uses electrolysis or a proton exchange membrane, any one of those, it's all about the water that you put into it. If you use deuterium-depleted water, then you'll be breathing pure hydrogen gas with no deuterium. So, it could be useful. 

Melanie Avalon: But if you breathe in deuterium, will it have the same negative effects as the water or not quite as bad or--? 

Dr. Robert Slovak: No, it would have exactly the same-- Yep, same thing as if you drank the glass of water. Just imagine when that deuterium gets to take a position over a light hydrogen atom in all the entire genome. This is the new frontier. They just don't know enough, because the whole genome, the whole DNA is lined with amino acids and water. It's in a casing of water. Imagine all the influence of that deuterium influencing the genome. So, it's a super big deal. You almost can't tell people enough about it. If people would just get down, just take the edge off, I think we'd have just much less chronic disease, and health problems, and so on. Just even to get down below 130, I think, would be magnificent. 

Melanie Avalon: You were asking earlier about the barriers to this. Do you think there is the possibility of it becoming more affordable or cost effective? 

Dr. Robert Slovak: Well, let's say, I think it will go in leaps. One big thing is having to import it from the center of Russia. [laughs] Yikes. So, these days, I don't know if you pay any attention to international shipping on ships, like containers come on, but it's basically doubled in the last year. So, it's reached a crazy point in terms of expense. We are in the process of building a pilot plant in Colorado, and that pilot plant will do a proof of concept, and it should go very quickly, because we're basically going to use the concept that the Russians are partnering with us in, and we will then decide where should the big plant be. We're almost at probably-- there's not too many months left in which we could even take orders, because our growth has exceeded the growth of production of the Russians. So, it's going to be rough going in two to three months. 

Melanie Avalon: People won't be able to order anymore?  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Yes. We won't be able to have any new customers. It's not like the supplies going away. We will have just filled the slots. 

Melanie Avalon: But if you're an existing customer, you'll be able to order? 

Dr. Robert Slovak: Yeah, we will always protect the existing customer but we just wouldn't be able to take a new one. Hopefully, we're in a race. In fact, two of our top people just in a couple of weeks are taking off for Russia to organize the shipment of the first, whatever you want to call it, the first material and machinery to do the pilot plant in Colorado. I also suggest that there's very little reason for people, generally, especially, if you want to save money, there's very little reason to test your deuterium ahead of going on deuterium depletion. 99.9% of the people are 148 to 152, it just doesn't matter. Why waste the money? The only reason to do it maybe for in some individual is, if they're on such an extreme ketogenic program, one that is intended to lower deuterium, then it might be great. It might be great to know where you're starting to add water to your program. But for the average person, just if you're ready to do it, you should just do it and then maybe test again in, let's say, one to one and a half months and see how you're doing.  

Melanie Avalon: Okay, perfect.  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Did we answer most of them? [laughs]  

Melanie Avalon: I think so. This has been absolutely amazing. I've been looking forward to this conversation for so long, and it was everything and more than I could have hoped. So, thank you so much for what you're doing. 

Dr. Robert Slovak: Our next one will be a test. So, I will check you on how old the universe is.  

Melanie Avalon: Oh, goodness. [laughs] I’ll be ready. Again, for listeners, there will be links to everything in the show notes. Is there any other links you'd like to put out there for listeners to follow your work and all of that?  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Well, I think it would be good for those because I'm so committed to the mineral trace element deficiency that almost all people have. There aren't many good alternatives. They can go on-- Do they know about the Water and Wellness website at all?  

Melanie Avalon: Probably not.  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Okay. We have a website that's water and, spelled out, wellness. That is where they would find some of the other products that I'm involved in. But the most important that I would like them to learn about would be about the Quinton Marine Plasma. Especially, this is the greatest thing I can say to any audience based upon my knowledge of health, nutrition, science, etc., do not plan on having a child without providing this level of minerals and trace elements throughout the perinatal period. This will be the greatest. Only looking back, it's not something I predicted, only looking back, it is perhaps the greatest thing I have done in telling women that if you are going-- Because I learned it through all of my education, and in Europe, and so on, and because I have learned that this is so instrumental, this is the key to having a trouble-free pregnancy and a perfect child. Nothing beats this.  

Melanie Avalon: Wow. That's amazing. I will put links to all of that. Hopefully, we can bring you back and do a second episode and dive more into all of that, and the minerals and elements, and all of the things.  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Sure, a lot of fun.  

Melanie Avalon: I know this is so fun. Thank you so much for your time, and everything, and the information and the knowledge, and deuterium-depleted water, and just everything. I'm really excited to see where everything goes in the future and stay in touch. 

Dr. Robert Slovak: And thank you for inviting me.  

Melanie Avalon: Oh, of course. Thank you.  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Have a wonderful evening.  

Melanie Avalon: You, too. Thanks. Bye.  

Dr. Robert Slovak: Bye-bye. 

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